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Dark Jedi · 07-02-2002, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Stephen Maturin:
Cal sez:

The boy's a liar, an idiot or both. The court did not "outlaw" the Pledge. Continuing to recited the Pledge will not turn anyone into a "lawbreaker." If I had a dollar for every time I've had to say that since the decision was announced - well, I'd have a whole lotta dollars.

Hell, if I had a nickel for every time, I'd still have a whole lotta dollars.

RobertE · 07-02-2002, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Berenger Sauniere:
And I'm sure there were people in the early 1960s who thought the court ruling to ban prayer from school was worse than Pearl Harbor. So what's your point Mr. Thomas?

That's what I wanted to know. Does anybody recall the public reaction to the USSC decision that barred mandatory school prayer? Granted, there weren't the radio and TV gabfests like there are now, but surely there was some outcry. How do the two decisions compare?

tgamble · 07-02-2002, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Toto:
Is Cal Thomas nuts?

That's a rhetorical question right?

tgamble · 07-02-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by Chad:
If upheld on appeal, it will turn millions of Americans into lawbreakers, because they'll continue to say the Pledge of Allegiance, just as many continue to pray before school athletic contests in violation of court prohibitions. [/URL]

Ok, let me take a wild guess here. Call is completely full of shit on this claim. Is that accurate? I'm not even in America nor do I follow such cases but I can guess that what is prophibited is official prayer that is forced.

Mageth · 07-02-2002, 11:11 AM

Recall the scene in the film "Miracle on 34th Street" in which the district attorney is trying to prove there is no Santa Claus. He's forced to give up the case when his own son testifies to his belief in Santa and the U.S. Post Office, "an agent of the federal government," in the words of the defense lawyer, brings hundreds of letters addressed to Santa to the courtroom where one "Kris Kringle" is on trial.

An apt comparison that, God to Santa Claus.

I predict this ruling will not stand, even if the U.S. Supreme Court upholds it. If upheld on appeal, it will turn millions of Americans into lawbreakers, because they'll continue to say the Pledge of Allegiance, just as many continue to pray before school athletic contests in violation of court prohibitions.

Lyin' for Jeebus. How quaint.

Toto · 07-02-2002, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by RobertE:


Does anybody recall the public reaction to the USSC decision that barred mandatory school prayer?

I was around at the time, but I don't remember it. (I was in public school in Maryland in the 50's and I remember saying the Lord's prayer, and having Bible readings, but by the time of the decision I was in high school in the midwest and had other things on my mind.) I think the major reaction was to ignore the decision.

Ron Garrett · 07-02-2002, 01:38 PM

I'm old enough to remember all the right wingers, Baptists and such, screaming that school desegregation and inter-racial unions (jerry Falwell for one) were the end of civilization. The Christian shamen and their political stooges have lost control long since and just don't realize yet that most Americans aren't interested in seeing this beceome a theocracy controlled by buck-shoe-wearing, flat earth affirming, Pentecostal trailer trash with eight grade educations and IQs in high 60s.

Grumpy · 07-02-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Snedden:
...Thomas is a useless waste of human skin...

Please remember you said that next time you complain about Cal Thomas hurling insults at atheists. Like, next April Fool's Day.

In Cal's defense, he is opposed to the excessive entanglement of churches in political affairs. Unfortunately, aside from that issue, his commentaries are irredeemably ignorant.

Toto · 07-02-2002, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Grumpy:

In Cal's defense, he is opposed to the excessive entanglement of churches in political affairs. Unfortunately, aside from that issue, his commentaries are irredeemably ignorant.

He only adopted that policy after getting burned with the Moral Majorities forays into politics. But I guess that's better than nothing.

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07-02-2002, 11:11 AM	#15
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Recall the scene in the film "Miracle on 34th Street" in which the district attorney is trying to prove there is no Santa Claus. He's forced to give up the case when his own son testifies to his belief in Santa and the U.S. Post Office, "an agent of the federal government," in the words of the defense lawyer, brings hundreds of letters addressed to Santa to the courtroom where one "Kris Kringle" is on trial. An apt comparison that, God to Santa Claus. I predict this ruling will not stand, even if the U.S. Supreme Court upholds it. If upheld on appeal, it will turn millions of Americans into lawbreakers, because they'll continue to say the Pledge of Allegiance, just as many continue to pray before school athletic contests in violation of court prohibitions. Lyin' for Jeebus. How quaint.

07-02-2002, 01:38 PM	#17
Ron Garrett Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States Posts: 1,657	I'm old enough to remember all the right wingers, Baptists and such, screaming that school desegregation and inter-racial unions (jerry Falwell for one) were the end of civilization. The Christian shamen and their political stooges have lost control long since and just don't realize yet that most Americans aren't interested in seeing this beceome a theocracy controlled by buck-shoe-wearing, flat earth affirming, Pentecostal trailer trash with eight grade educations and IQs in high 60s.

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