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Secular Pinoy · 01-03-2003, 11:50 PM

From reading tracts and booklets from the JWs, I noticed that they seem to be using a different version of the bible from what I'm used to. I was tempted back then (when I was a Christian) to acquire their bible to compare it with the NIV, which was my personal choice. Most Christian tracts I've read use either the KJV or the NIV, with a few using the Good News Bible. I haven't seen the The Living Bible (I think) yet.

So my question is, aside from the JWs, are there any bible versions that are used by one denomination almost exclusively? A Mormon Bible perhaps (not the Book of Mormons)? A bible for Seventh Day Adventists (not a lot of them here in Manila so I'm not sure)? And are these versions too sectarian to be useful or accurate?

I know that Mainline Christians use the NIV (since I was raised a moderate Methodist) while the Fundamentalists prefer the KJV, though some are starting to use the NIV as well. Catholics use either the Douay Rheims version or the NAB (I hear's there a Catholic Jerusalem bible, though I haven't read it yet). And there's always the Tagalog version (our official language) used pretty much by anybody.

-DM- · 01-03-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by CX
Ah, but, those are THE preferred translations of most evangelicals and fundamentalists. You have to have them in order to compare the differences with more accurate translations.

I disagree. Fundamentalists deplore TLB (The Living Bible). They tend to find fault with the NIV (New International Version). They tend to much prefer the KJV (King James Version) to the NKJV (New King James Version).

-Don-

-DM- · 01-03-2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by spurly
In my humble opinion, the best English translation is The New American Standard.

I tend to agree with that. If it came in a "New Oxford Annotated Bible" version, I would have listed that as my first choice.

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Beware of The Message and The Living Bible and other paraphrases. They come with too much of the paraphrasers own leanings.

Absolutely.

-Don-

-DM- · 01-04-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
From reading tracts and booklets from the JWs, I noticed that they seem to be using a different version of the bible from what I'm used to.

JWs prefer the "New World Translation." They are willing, however, to use almost any stndard Bible version in their "studies" with those whom they visit.

-Don-

dost · 01-04-2003, 06:37 PM

Anyone heard of the Bible in cockney? I vaguely recall hearing something about it on TV a long time ago....is it really out?

Egoinos · 01-05-2003, 06:14 PM

Yes, its out. There is a limerick version too. And one in Scots.

As you're in London, you can buy a copy either at Wesley Owen (sort-of behind John Lewis on Oxford Street, go to the back of the shop where the Bibles are) or at the Borders bookshop on Oxford Street (the one on Charing Cross Road is not nearly so good) towards the Tottenham Court Road end, its upstairs. I've definitely seen a copy in Wesley Owen, Borders should have it, if not try Foyles

--Egoinos--

CX · 01-05-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by DM
I disagree. Fundamentalists deplore TLB (The Living Bible). They tend to find fault with the NIV (New International Version). They tend to much prefer the KJV (King James Version) to the NKJV (New King James Version).

-Don-

Actually I didn't mean to include TLB almost everyone hates it (though I find it quite entertaining sort of like Mr. Rogers translates the bible). NIV is very popular with most of the more tempered evangelicals and KJV is de rigeur amonsgt the rabid fundamenalists and charismatic types. I prefer NKJV only because the english usage in KJV is so out of date. In any case one ultimately ought to consult NA27/UBS4 anyway.

CX · 01-05-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by dost
Anyone heard of the Bible in cockney? I vaguely recall hearing something about it on TV a long time ago....is it really out?

Well, the Dialectizer does a nice job of translating anything on the web into a host of different dialects including cockney:

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Jhn 3:1 There were a man of the bloomin' Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the bloody Jews:

Jhn 3:2 The bleedin' same came ter Jesus by night, right, and said unto 'im, Rabbi, right, we know that fou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that fou doest, right, except God be wiv 'im.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto 'im, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, right, he cannot spot the kingdom of God.

Jhn 3:4 Nicodemus saiff unto 'im, How can a man be born wen 'e is old, then, luv? can 'e enter the bleedin' second time into 'is muvver's womb, right, and be born, then, squire?

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, right, verily, right, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jhn 3:6 That wich is born of the flesh is flesh; and that wich is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, right, Ye must be born again.

Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweff where it listeff, and fou 'earest the sound thereof, right, but canst not tell wence it comeff, right, and wiffer it goeff: so is evry one that is born of the bloomin' Spirit.

Jhn 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto 'im, right, How can these fings be, isit?

Jhn 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto 'im, right, Art fou a master of Israel, right, and knowest not these fings, isit?

Jhn 3:11 Verily, verily, right, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, right, and testify that we 'ave seen; and ye receive not us witness.

Jhn 3:12 If I 'ave told yer earffly fings, right, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, right, if I tell yer [of] 'eavenly fings, then, eh, mate?

Jhn 3:13 And no man 'aff ascended up ter heaven, right, but 'e that came dahn from 'eaven, right, [even] the bleedin' Son of man wich is in 'eaven.

Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the bloody serpent in the wilderness, even so must the bloomin' Son of man be lifted up:

Jhn 3:15 That 'oosoever believeff in 'im should not perish, but 'ave eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 For God so luvd the bleedin' world, that 'e gave 'is only begotten Son, that 'oosoever believeff in 'im should not perish, right, but 'ave everlastin' life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not 'is Son into the bleedin' world ter condemn the world; but that the bloody world frough 'im might be Chas'n'Daved.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeff on 'im ain't condemned: but 'e that believeff not is condemned already, because 'e 'aff not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, right, and men luvd darkness ravver than light, right, because their deeds were evil.

Jhn 3:20 For evry one that doeff evil 'ateff the bloody light, neever comeff ter the light, lest 'is deeds should be reproved.

Jhn 3:21 But 'e that doeff truff comeff ter the bleedin' light, that 'is deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Jhn 3:22 After these fings came Jesus and 'is disciples into the chuffin' land of Judaea; and there 'e tarried wiv them, right, and baptized.

Jhn 3:23 And John also were baptizin' in Aenon near ter Salim, because there were much water there: and they came, right, and were baptized. I'll get out me spoons.

Jhn 3:24 For John were not yet cast into prison.

Jhn 3:25 Then there arose a question between [some] of John's disciples and the Jews about purifyin'.

Jhn 3:26 And they came unto John, right, and said unto 'im, right, Rabbi, right, he that were wiv thee beyond Jordan, to 'oom fou barest witness, right, behold, the same baptizeff, and all [men] come ter him. Cor blimey guv!

Jhn 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nuffink, right, except it be given 'im from 'eaven.

Jhn 3:28 Ye yorselves bear me witness, that I said, I'm bloody well not the Christ, right, but that I'm sent before 'im.

Jhn 3:29 He that 'aff the bloomin' bride is the bridegroom: but the mate of the bridegroom, right, wich standeff and 'eareff 'im, right, rejoiceff greatly because of the bleedin' bridegroom's voice: this me joy therefore is fulfilled.

Jhn 3:30 He must increase, right, but I [must] decrease.

Jhn 3:31 He that comeff from above is above all: 'e that is of the earff is earffly, and speakeff of the earff: 'e that comeff from 'eaven is above all.

Jhn 3:32 And wot 'e 'aff seen and 'eard, that 'e testifieff; and no man receiveff 'is testimony.

Jhn 3:33 He that 'aff received 'is testimony 'aff set ter his seal that God is true.

Jhn 3:34 For 'e 'oom God 'aff sent speakeff the words of God: for God giveff not the bloody Spirit by measure [unto 'im].

Jhn 3:35 The Favver luvff the Son, and 'aff given all fings into 'is 'and, init?

Jhn 3:36 He that believeff on the chuffin' Son 'aff everlastin' life: and 'e that believeff not the bleedin' Son shall not spot life; but the wraff of God abideff on 'im, init?

dost · 01-06-2003, 08:43 AM

Hi Egoinos, thanks for giving me the detailed directions. I'll make sure I get a copy as soon as possible! hehehe....that was great CX, I was picturing Ali G saying all that, btw, its soo similar to shakespearean English

Atticus_Finch · 01-06-2003, 12:13 PM

Has anybody reviewed the New English Translation? It is available on the net at http://netbible.org/netbible/index.htm

One of its claims to fame, as I understand it, is that the translation was posted on the internet during the process of translation and opened to critique.

I am not advocating it, but I am interested in hearing any comments on it.

Regards,

Finch

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Atticus_Finch Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 392	What about NET Has anybody reviewed the New English Translation? It is available on the net at http://netbible.org/netbible/index.htm One of its claims to fame, as I understand it, is that the translation was posted on the internet during the process of translation and opened to critique. I am not advocating it, but I am interested in hearing any comments on it. Regards, Finch

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Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	From reading tracts and booklets from the JWs, I noticed that they seem to be using a different version of the bible from what I'm used to. I was tempted back then (when I was a Christian) to acquire their bible to compare it with the NIV, which was my personal choice. Most Christian tracts I've read use either the KJV or the NIV, with a few using the Good News Bible. I haven't seen the The Living Bible (I think) yet. So my question is, aside from the JWs, are there any bible versions that are used by one denomination almost exclusively? A Mormon Bible perhaps (not the Book of Mormons)? A bible for Seventh Day Adventists (not a lot of them here in Manila so I'm not sure)? And are these versions too sectarian to be useful or accurate? I know that Mainline Christians use the NIV (since I was raised a moderate Methodist) while the Fundamentalists prefer the KJV, though some are starting to use the NIV as well. Catholics use either the Douay Rheims version or the NAB (I hear's there a Catholic Jerusalem bible, though I haven't read it yet). And there's always the Tagalog version (our official language) used pretty much by anybody.

01-04-2003, 06:37 PM	#15
dost Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 82	Anyone heard of the Bible in cockney? I vaguely recall hearing something about it on TV a long time ago....is it really out?

01-05-2003, 06:14 PM	#16
Egoinos Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 423	Yes, its out. There is a limerick version too. And one in Scots. As you're in London, you can buy a copy either at Wesley Owen (sort-of behind John Lewis on Oxford Street, go to the back of the shop where the Bibles are) or at the Borders bookshop on Oxford Street (the one on Charing Cross Road is not nearly so good) towards the Tottenham Court Road end, its upstairs. I've definitely seen a copy in Wesley Owen, Borders should have it, if not try Foyles --Egoinos--

01-06-2003, 08:43 AM	#19
dost Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 82	Hi Egoinos, thanks for giving me the detailed directions. I'll make sure I get a copy as soon as possible! hehehe....that was great CX, I was picturing Ali G saying all that, btw, its soo similar to shakespearean English

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