99Percent

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html

jayh

Vegetarianism is not even an option for many third world societies

1) Land is not interchangeable. A large portion of land that produces adequate brush for cattle raising, cannot produce sufficient human edible vegetation, certainly not enought protein.

2) A balanced vegetarian diet requires a wide range of foods year round. Without adequate transportation and refrigeration to bring food from different locations, adequate nutrition is not possible.

j

Amie

I have a friend who is a vegan and I would often wonder about his nutrition since there are so many things he won't eat however when I went along with him once to specialty store in Yorba Linda, I discovered all of the wonders of his diet...
His family tends to become very critical and even insulting of the fact that he's a vegan which seems so strange to me since he eats plenty of food and he is healthy...

Chocolate or vanilla soy milk from trader joes...yum

Bree

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Originally posted by jayh Vegetarianism is not even an option for many third world societies.

This is exactly what Tony Bourdain talks about in his book. He says he's sick and tired of holier-than-thou vegetarians who think that non-vegetarians are cruel and unfeeling towards their fuzzy counterparts. He says that we need to understand that a huge part of the world can't be so choosy about what they will and will not eat - most everyone else is just worried about eating, period.

Ab_Normal

Replace "vegetarian" with "atheist", and you have the discussion I had with my brother about atheism.

LordSnooty

The article referenced in the first post was obviously written by an overly excited, right-wing fecal maniac. He needs to learn the following:

a) How to draw.
b) How to put together a coherent argument.
c) How to write without swearing at every given opportunity.
d) How to design a Website to make it easy to read.
e) Not to put his ill-considered and wrong-brained fuckwit comments into the public arena.

I'm a vegetarian, and I happen to think that you should feel guilty if you eat meat. I wouldn't be vegetarian if I thought that meat-eating was morally acceptable would I?

I don't try to convert people, though. Meat eating is a religion to most people.

Paul

LordSnooty

So, let me just get this straight.

I'm not allowed to think that non-vegetarians are cruel and unfeeling towards animals, because people in some countries are starving?

That doesn't make sense. I think that meat eaters are cruel and unfeeling towards animals. They must be in order to support their confinement, suffering and eventual killing. Where did these starving people come from, and what place to they have in the argument?

For what it's worth, of course starving people should eat meat. I just didn't really think that was the issue. It's called 'shifting the goalposts', where I come from. I never tried to force a starving person to become a vegetarian, but then most of us here don't live in the third world.

If I missed the point, and you were actually condensing two seperate arguments into your post, then please accept my apologies for being such an unrestrained retard.

Paul

Secular Pinoy

Huh? I don't see why anyone would say that. But vegetarianism, now that's a fundaMENTALism worthy of the term religion.

LordSnooty

Asking a meat eater why they eat meat is not unlike approaching a Christian and asking them why they believe in god. They usually don't have a real answer. They just can't imagine it any other way. Same with meat eaters. They have no intention of changing, for as long as they think they're onto a good thing.

That is why I said it.

Oh, and highlighting the word 'mental'. That's really smart and clever by the way. You really destroyed my whole argument with that astounding ad-hom. On the strength of that, I'm going to convert to meat eating and bestiality.

G-bye.

Paul

The Other Michael

This is a moderator advisory message:

I'm getting suspicious that this thread is heading the way all the vegetarian threads seem to head - that is, towards being locked.

Everyone needs to recall the rules on behavior and apply them, and also you should be trying very hard to make any comments relevant to moral foundations and principles.

The physiological effects of eating different foods doesn't sound very MF&P to me, and I think that you'll have to work a bit to make economic effects of food consumption take an MF&P slant (though it could be done).

cheers,
Michael
MF&P Moderator, First Class

This has been a moderator advisory message. In the event of a thread melt down, locking will occur.