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The Naked Mage · 10-20-2002, 04:38 PM

Clearly, this is just a topic for the amusement of us "freethinkers", seeing as how most of the Christians on this board - and certainly all of the ones who are thus far participating in this thread - are too cloistered and tenured to apply the Satan question to their own dogma.

Haw haw!

B. H. Manners · 10-20-2002, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by The Naked Mage:
Clearly, this is just a topic for the amusement of us "freethinkers", seeing as how most of the Christians on this board - and certainly all of the ones who are thus far participating in this thread - are too cloistered and tenured to apply the Satan question to their own dogma.

Haw haw!

Ditto. The freethinkers here could care less about Satan. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in him, so they must address the fact that there are variant passages to their holy books which are not just "honest accidents." Since it is a sin to add to the word, and any addition is due to the temptation of Satan, they must prove absolutely and objectively what parts of the Bible and Koran are not Satanically added to or taken away from. This they cannot do.

B. H. Manners · 10-20-2002, 08:06 PM

...therefore the Bible (and Koran) fail as moral guides. Christians will defend the Bible, its teachings, examples, and verses blindly without question and rationalize everything contained therein to fit their nice cozy ideas of theology. Well, the fly in the buttermilk is that the devil they believe in would not doubt be aware of their naivete (sp?)and mine it for all it is worth to his advantage. He would order whole cities wiped out (men, women, children) in the name of "God." He would have the Bible writers write that "God" destroyed Sodom for its sin only to add later via Jesus that it could have been spared if a few miracles had been performed in it. Satan would also threaten people with hell so as to ensure many obeyed his cockeyed policies and cause this world to become hell.

More examples?

Again, if the Christian objects to my complaints above, he has nothing to rely on except his own subjectivity. Without an objective standard to judge "God" with we can never know if Satan has not deceived the Jesusist.

-RRH- · 10-21-2002, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by St. Robert:
It is Satan, who seeks to convince you that Jesus is the enemy. Satan will say 'Jesus can't be trusted' and so on.

And Jesus tries to convince you that Satan is the enemy. Jesus will say 'Satan can't be trusted' and so on. Funny how that works out.

St. Robert · 10-21-2002, 08:58 PM

Since you know not God nor Satan, you have a serious dilemma before you.

Thor Q. Mada · 10-21-2002, 10:42 PM

St. Robert,

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God was asked, if He is actually Satan and answers it in Matthew 12:22-37.

Yes, and the answer of-course is........
A good, logical , unbiased and trustworthy reply.
When your write this, are you completely insensitive to the irony of what you write?? This just for my own improvement and further knowledge in respect of the near incomprehensible and disturbed religious mind.
Fear, blindness and lack of education has done great damage indeed.

B. H. Manners · 10-22-2002, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by St. Robert:
Since you know not God nor Satan, you have a serious dilemma before you.

No, we don't actually. However you DO.

I have asked for you to provide an absolute objective standard by which to know what is "God's" words in the Bible and what are "Satan's." I ask again for the third time. Stop pussy footing around and answer the question.

-RRH- · 10-22-2002, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by St. Robert:
[QB]It is Satan, who seeks to convince you that Jesus is the enemy. Satan will say 'Jesus can't be trusted' and so on.

Satan's goal is to prevent you from entering into the abundant life that Jesus offers all of us. And yes, he'll disguise the Truth as a lie to deceive.[QB]

Okay. The problem here, see, is that Satan isn't about to go, "Hey, I'm Satan, king of lies! I happen to think that you shouldn't listen to that God fellow."

It makes a lot more sense for Satan to go, "Lookit me! I'm the son of God! You know all those rules that God gave you before? Well, now they aren't important, because you can erase your sins by worshipping me! And you can trust me, 'cause I'm the son of God. This whole deal is called, umm..., a new covenant, yeah, that's right. A new covenant. Here, have some pork."

sighhswolf · 10-22-2002, 02:41 PM

You know St. Robert,

logically if christianity edows god with the
"omni's" that would reasonably point to his being in charge of everything, creation, natural physical laws of the universe, and as he says in the babble good and evil.

The sign at your gods desk says:
"The buck stops here".
Meaning the end of the progression that leads to ultimate responsibility for ALL THINGS.
Your god and your devil are one in the same you just dont want to examine the evidence, junk the semantics and the circular reasoning and just come out and say it.
If your god is the last word, the law, the creator of ALL things good AND all things evil
no matter how you play the word game it comes down to one singular figurehead who orchestrates
all things.

Yep he be god and he be da devil too......dude.
Wolf

St. Robert · 10-27-2002, 02:20 PM

Sighhswolf,

Since we live in the same city, we should get together and have an open discussion about your objections to Christianity. If you would like to meet for a peaceful discussion, let me know.

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10-20-2002, 04:38 PM	#21
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	Clearly, this is just a topic for the amusement of us "freethinkers", seeing as how most of the Christians on this board - and certainly all of the ones who are thus far participating in this thread - are too cloistered and tenured to apply the Satan question to their own dogma. Haw haw!

10-20-2002, 08:06 PM	#23
B. H. Manners Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,213	...therefore the Bible (and Koran) fail as moral guides. Christians will defend the Bible, its teachings, examples, and verses blindly without question and rationalize everything contained therein to fit their nice cozy ideas of theology. Well, the fly in the buttermilk is that the devil they believe in would not doubt be aware of their naivete (sp?)and mine it for all it is worth to his advantage. He would order whole cities wiped out (men, women, children) in the name of "God." He would have the Bible writers write that "God" destroyed Sodom for its sin only to add later via Jesus that it could have been spared if a few miracles had been performed in it. Satan would also threaten people with hell so as to ensure many obeyed his cockeyed policies and cause this world to become hell. More examples? Again, if the Christian objects to my complaints above, he has nothing to rely on except his own subjectivity. Without an objective standard to judge "God" with we can never know if Satan has not deceived the Jesusist.

10-21-2002, 08:58 PM	#25
St. Robert Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 170	Since you know not God nor Satan, you have a serious dilemma before you.

10-22-2002, 02:41 PM	#29
sighhswolf Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Charlotte,NC USA Posts: 379	You know St. Robert, logically if christianity edows god with the "omni's" that would reasonably point to his being in charge of everything, creation, natural physical laws of the universe, and as he says in the babble good and evil. The sign at your gods desk says: "The buck stops here". Meaning the end of the progression that leads to ultimate responsibility for ALL THINGS. Your god and your devil are one in the same you just dont want to examine the evidence, junk the semantics and the circular reasoning and just come out and say it. If your god is the last word, the law, the creator of ALL things good AND all things evil no matter how you play the word game it comes down to one singular figurehead who orchestrates all things. Yep he be god and he be da devil too......dude. Wolf

10-27-2002, 02:20 PM	#30
St. Robert Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 170	Sighhswolf, Since we live in the same city, we should get together and have an open discussion about your objections to Christianity. If you would like to meet for a peaceful discussion, let me know.

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