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Old 07-14-2003, 11:45 AM   #61
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That I see a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality is entirely tangential to the subject of the thread.
Eh? I thought it was the subject of the thread!

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Yguy, why in the hell did you call on gay rights advocates in particular to address Fr. Andrew's views? Do you think they have some special obligation to do so?
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Eh? I thought it was the subject of the thread!

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Nope. What I tried to make clear in the OP is that homosexual rights supporters need to draw an unmistakable line between themselves and apologists or advocates of pedophilia. Ronin, at least, evidently understood that.
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Nope. What I tried to make clear in the OP is that homosexual rights supporters need to draw an unmistakable line between themselves and apologists or advocates of pedophilia. Ronin, at least, evidently understood that.
But why would they need to do that if there is no link? Do heterosexual rights supporters or animal rights supporters also need to draw an unmistakable line?

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Yguy, why in the hell did you call on gay rights advocates in particular to address Fr. Andrew's views? Do you think they have some special obligation to do so?
At the very least, they owe it to themselves. In the 70's, they succeeded in erasing a moral line that had been previously drawn. Advocates of and apologists for pedophilia would like to do the same. Failure of homosexuals to speak out againt the erasing of the moral line on the far side of which pedophilia resides cannot help but lead a dispassionate observer to question whether there is some unconscious identification with the sickness in pedophiles which constrains them from calling a spade a spade.
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Yguy, why in the hell did you call on gay rights advocates in particular to address Fr. Andrew's views? Do you think they have some special obligation to do so?
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Why the hell do you people keep putting words in my mouth?
On page 2, yguy claims he never said that homosexuality and pedophilia go hand-in-hand, and yet the very topic of this thread says otherwise.
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Old 07-14-2003, 12:27 PM   #67
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On page 2, yguy claims he never said that homosexuality and pedophilia go hand-in-hand, and yet the very topic of this thread says otherwise.
Produce the exact quotes, if you would be so kind.
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At the very least, they owe it to themselves. In the 70's, they succeeded in erasing a moral line that had been previously drawn.
And what about those who, for example, succeeded in erasing the moral line that had been drawn on interracial marriages? Don't they owe it to themselves to try and distance themselves from Fr. Andrew's views?
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And what about those who, for example, succeeded in erasing the moral line that had been drawn on interracial marriages? Don't they owe it to themselves to try and distance themselves from Fr. Andrew's views?
Doesn't everybody?
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Doesn't everybody?
If everybody owes it to themselves to distance themselves from what Fr. Andrew said, then WHY did you address this specifically to gay rights advocates? Why didn't you address it to everyone?
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