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The Resistance · 02-14-2002, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Strelnieks:
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No theocracy with 14 aircraft carriers and a nuclear arsenal would fall from the world stage very quickly. The USSR showed that you can raise a lot of hell for a long time even if your country is ideologically cracked. With the head start that the US has in technology and wealth, it could "coast" for quite a while.

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And the US would probably go out in a blaze of glory, if you know what I mean.

call me SnydAr · 02-15-2002, 11:54 AM

i wrote to him, and he took the time to write back...

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It amazes me that people read something the way he or she wants the outcome to be, not what it actually says.. Posting our nation's motto, "In God We Trust" in no way is "establishing a religion - it is posting our nation's motto. Don't you know what the word "establish means? I'm here in this country bec ause it gives me the right to express myself just as you do. It gives me the right to honor my nation by displaying its motto. It gives me the same right as you to express myself and my beliefs (apparently you do not wish to give me the same freedom as you want for yourself. If I were to introduce a bill that proposes to establish Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, Judiasm, etc. as the official religion of Florida, then that would be "establishing" a religion. Posting of historical documents of this country is my way of showing respect for our nation. I only wish others were as passionate about displaying our nation's documents rather than trying to tear down what has made our co untry so great. Thanks for taking the time to write. Jerry

so i wrote back asking why he didn't choose to use 'E Pluribus Unim' we'll see what he says.

-Chris

hezekiah jones · 02-15-2002, 12:06 PM

Poor Jerry Melvin. The Constitution doesn't say, "Congress shall not make an establishment of religion." It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Jerry is in the Rehnquist camp, among those so-called nonpreferentialists that seem to believe the phrase "no law" somehow allows Congress to pass "some laws." This was the gist of Rehnquist's argument in Wallace v. Jaffree, upon which the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Leonard W. Levy commented, "Rehnquist wrote fiction and passed it off as history."

In the meantime Jerry is free to get some exercise wallpapering his basement with the book of Deuteronomy.

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Euromutt · 02-15-2002, 06:22 PM

Ker-rist. That kid who rammed that light aircraft into that building in Florida a few months back could have saved us all a lot of hassle by picking a better target.

(Note to self: add Florida to states not to visit, along with Alabama.
Second note to self: save hassle and avoid all former Confederate states?)

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bonduca · 02-15-2002, 06:43 PM

I can personally un-recommend them.

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02-15-2002, 12:06 PM	#23
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Poor Jerry Melvin. The Constitution doesn't say, "Congress shall not make an establishment of religion." It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Jerry is in the Rehnquist camp, among those so-called nonpreferentialists that seem to believe the phrase "no law" somehow allows Congress to pass "some laws." This was the gist of Rehnquist's argument in Wallace v. Jaffree, upon which the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Leonard W. Levy commented, "Rehnquist wrote fiction and passed it off as history." In the meantime Jerry is free to get some exercise wallpapering his basement with the book of Deuteronomy. [ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: hezekiahjones ]</p>

02-15-2002, 06:22 PM	#24
Euromutt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Netherlands (the Kingdom of the Dammed) Posts: 687	Ker-rist. That kid who rammed that light aircraft into that building in Florida a few months back could have saved us all a lot of hassle by picking a better target. (Note to self: add Florida to states not to visit, along with Alabama. Second note to self: save hassle and avoid all former Confederate states?) [ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: Euromutt ]</p>

02-15-2002, 06:43 PM	#25
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	I can personally un-recommend them.

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