Viti

And if he's wearing anything but jeans it soaks right through

Hubble head

Dallas is one of those cities like Atlanta, South Florida, or Houston that thrives on HUGE topless bars. Some can hold around a thousand and have over 50 dancers on the nightly rotation. -Big difference from the ones I saw while living in San Diego.

They were great fun when I was younger and about the same age as the women who were dancing. Dated some, partied with others but as someone else stated, they were mostly gold digging coke whores and/or head cases.

We could have several hanging out at our table and not spend any real money except for a few drinks back then. Sometimes I'd get more from tipping a dollar than some guys got for 20 but that doesn't happen anymore. Now I'm the old fart in the corner. I feel like a tool now but I'll still go for business entertainment or the bachlor party from time to time.

Getting a very threatening call from some bubba who found my number in his "baby's mother's purse" who claimed he was trying to get her off meth and dancing was last time I played with that fire.

Xeluan

I'm not to sure on the laws for touching Australian strippers. In most clubs you can't touch them and there are usually signs to that effect.

Yet last year, at a certain men's restuarant that Sydneysiders may know, I got to rub baby oil all over a strippers body. I mean all over who then proceeded to rub her breasts in my face and so on. It was my b'day, I was single so there.

It was good fun. It did get weird with the bisexual woman who was there with her husband and boyfriend though. It was a very stimulating evening.

On the other hand, I can find strip clubs to be quite boring. Sometimes I've had no interest in what was going on. Except for that Brazillian stripper at PP in Sydney one night.....whoah boy.

Overall it can be good harmless fun if you don't take things seriously.

Bad Kitty

For married or attached men (or women), when does what happens in a strip club cross the line?

I personally don't care if my honey goes to a strip club with the guys once in a while. But thinking about it, I might be uncomfortable if it became his nightly hobby, because I would begin to feel that there must be something lacking in our relationship, that he wants to always be with other naked women.

And when I begin to think about lap dances, particularly as described by Wally in this thread, I start to get really uncomfortable. I think lap dances might very well cross the line. When ogling (which occurs everywhere anyways) becomes touching -- well -- that behavior is not acceptable outside of the strip club, so it isn't acceptable inside one either -- right???. But then, lap dances seem pretty ubiquitous, and sort of standard behavior in a club, as if they don't really "count" as any sort of cheating -- right???

I'd lay money on the fact that my fiance wouldn't want me going out to a bar and feeling up some guy on the dance floor -- or letting him touch me in a sexual way. And, boy oh boy would I feel like a disloyal cheater if I did ANY of that. Ogle -- maybe (I'm just as human as he is!). Touch - never.

But men (at least the ones I work with) seem to consider strip clubs outside the parameters of the "real world", as if different rules apply somehow...

Michelle

beth

Let's just say that when we married, I told my husband that if he goes to strip clubs, I'd get a job at one. He's never gone to one since we married.

Darwin26

BigZoo, i agree with you ...and if you are dealing with males or females who exhibit such inconsistancies...different rules different places ....i'd say keep your guard up and keep your distance from these eratic mindfields

Captain Pedantic

There is a branch of feminism (and you can check it out on the boards at the Ms magazine website if you have a strong stomach for one of the most unwelcoming places I've been in ages) which says that anything in the sex industry ("the sex industry" being the big three of prostitution, stripping and pornography) is objectifying women, and that the women who work in those jobs should necessarily be ashamed of what they do or be a tool of "the patriarchy".

If I may go a little off track for a moment, how is this different from those oppressive women-hating conservative values we as feminists are supposed to be against? I mean to say that the conservative thing against the sex industry is that women should feel ashamed and disgusted to do whatever it is because it is immoral to be sexual in public (or something - someone else could probably put that view better than me, I'm sure). While the supposedly "radical" feminist view is that women should feel ashamed and disgusted to work in the sex industry because these things are tools of the patriarchy and they hurt women, so if women do not feel ashamed, then they are clearly either too ignorant to realise the damage that is being done, or are antifeminists.

So there are two different directions from which to arrive at the exact same conclusion, and either way, women are still being made to feel ashamed and disgusted at themselves. How is this empowering?

Now, I still consider myself a feminist (despite being made to feel like a heretic at the Ms boards), and I don't necessarily leap with joy at the idea of strip clubs (the Brits here may understand that I don't want to be seen sharing an opinion with that poison dwarf Peter Stringfellow). But I think that true empowerment means, ultimately, letting people make choices without once judging them for it. Even if the choices are actually colossally stupid (I personally think that taking heroin every day is a stupid choice for someone to make), people should be allowed to make their own damn mistakes without being judged (either with the wrath of Jesus or the wrath of the other side). And if people want to untangle themselves from the mess they're in - and if they can't do it themselves - there should be people who will help them without judging them, and without wanting them to "suffer" for what they've done.

No judgement, forgiveness...ooh, I'm coming over all religious. No, I'm not really turning gods-botherer. Actually, I wish some self-proclaimed religionists could get on the forgiveness bandwagon someday.

Loren Pechtel

As a male I would feel that a lap dance was across the line.

fando

There exists a line to be crossed!? Tell me where!

Just kidding, my two or three experiences at strip clubs were lackluster. I thought it was a great way for woment to make lots of cash. You know, take advantage of men's unquenchable, natural desire to see some flesh for personal gain. Sometimes I wish I had that option, but my body isn't exactly chipendale material.

Viti

I encourage couples to go together at least once. That way everyone knows whats cool and whats not

I am tipsy...need to stop posting