Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by Sauron
Why would they need a place to go? "Since they have no place to go, that's a reason for Israel to exist" doesn't work, because these Jews:

(a) aren't being evicted from their current country of residence;
(b) aren't being banned from the country in which they have dual citizenship;
(c) can go to the many *other* countries in the world that would accept them

Jat is proposing that Israel be disbanded. *ALL* the Jews would have to go somewhere or die. That's a lot of people to relocate.

But as long as we're talking about officials aiding radicals, seems to me that the Israeli security forces are aiding the West Bank settlers as well as covering up atrocities. I suggest you read the Amnesty International report on conditions in Israel.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-isr/index

I've long since given up on AI--they are too willing to believe what they are told about repression.

Loren Pechtel

"a bit" should be nominated for the understatement of the year.

While their intent is good their value as an information source is basically zero.

Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by Jat
Maybe the cops in the USA should start using "guided" missiles instead of going on high speed chases? They could use them mainly while going through low income areas and "kill two birds with one stone" like the Israelis do?

US cops are normally capable of catching the bad guys--the bad guys don't have extensive networks of observers and lots of armed guards they can call on at a moment's notice.

The Palestinian cops were aiding the terrorists.

They were aiding the freedom fighters.

There are no freedom fighters in Palestine.

Note, however, that you are admitting I'm right.

Corwin

You think incorrectly. The palestinians in Israel were openly encouraged to stay and live the way they had been.

slept2long

In '48 right? I am talking about the continued appropriation of land beyond the original borders that picked up steam in '67.

This
is the map I am using to reach that conclusion. The one at the bottom of the page.

Corwin

Yeah, well when you try to invade one of your neighbors, you run the risk of losing territory.

The solution is simple. Don't mass troops on your neighbors' border and expect them to not respond.

slept2long

Palestinians don't have an army. How can they invade Israel? After all Israel is on there internationally recognized land.

Jat

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

Jat is proposing that Israel be disbanded. *ALL* the Jews would have to go somewhere or die. That's a lot of people to relocate.

Let's see there are around 6,029,529 (July 2002 est.) this includes about 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, more than 5,000 in the Gaza Strip, and fewer than 177,000 in East Jerusalem (February 2003 est.). Whereas there are a total of around 18,000,000 Jews worldwide (Including those listed above).

Many countries wouldn't have too much trouble absorbing that many educated and skilled people.

I've long since given up on AI--they are too willing to believe what they are told about repression.

What, you don't like it when the real truth doesn't match up with your version?

Jat

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

US cops are normally capable of catching the bad guys--the bad guys don't have extensive networks of observers and lots of armed guards they can call on at a moment's notice.

Do they really have to when so many cops are on the take as it is?

There are no freedom fighters in Palestine.

That is your opinion.

Note, however, that you are admitting I'm right.

Why would you say that, Information Minister?

Corwin

No, their muslim brothers in Jordan, Syria and Egypt were more than happy to do it for them. (Note that the occupied territories are in areas that have been traditionally considered to be either Jordanian or Syrian territory. Egyptian too.... before Egypt recognized Israel's right to exist and got their land back.... without anyone getting shot by the way....)