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Old 08-29-2002, 09:11 AM   #31
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There will always be a limit to how much of existence you can observe, or register obviously.

This doesn't however rule out the simple fact that non-existence doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. No really, it doesn't.

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<strong>There will always be a limit to how much of existence you can observe, or register obviously.

This doesn't however rule out the simple fact that non-existence doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. No really, it doesn't.

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We can discern that iether non-existence exists, or non-existence doesn't exist, but it can't both be existent and non-existient at the same time and in the same sense. But in nature there is no fact of non-existence, only facts about appearances. So when a particular glass full of water at time1 appears empty at time2, the water in the glass hasn't become non-existent, but evaporated and/or was drank by me. Non-extistence therefore is not a fact but a concept held in the human mind.
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We can discern that iether non-existence exists, or non-existence doesn't exist, but it can't both be existent and non-existient at the same time and in the same sense. But in nature there is no fact of non-existence, only facts about appearances. So when a particular glass full of water at time1 appears empty at time2, the water in the glass hasn't become non-existent, but evaporated and/or was drank by me. Non-extistence therefore is not a fact but a concept held in the human mind.</strong>
Oh cute, is this the discussion this is turning into Goody.

Non-existence, or nothing, you got that spot on, are concepts of the mind. Or to put it into other words, nothing is a 'contemplative absolute' that only exists in mathmatical perfection in the shape of the zero. (When they say nothing's perfect, they're right on the money. Perfection and nothing are the same damn thing.)

Imagine trying to prove that...

...nothing can exist.
without existing at the same time, mind you.
that would kind of ruin it.

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Oh cute, is this the discussion this is turning into Goody.

Non-existence, or nothing, you got that spot on, are concepts of the mind. Or to put it into other words, nothing is a 'contemplative absolute' that only exists in mathmatical perfection in the shape of the zero. (When they say nothing's perfect, they're right on the money. Perfection and nothing are the same damn thing.)

Imagine trying to prove that...

...nothing can exist.
without existing at the same time, mind you.
that would kind of ruin it.

</strong>
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'contemplative absolute', but to say it defines both nothing and perfection is a zenish overstatement. Is an infinitely straight line a circle? Can nothing be the antecedent of something? Can time exist absent mass and length? Can absolute subjectivity exist?
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