Magus55

God doesn't kill arbitrarily for fun like humans do. God casts judgement on sinning humans. Just like a Judge doesn't execute a criminal for giggles, God doesn't do it without judgement.




He did nasty things based on your perspective. Did you live 4000 years ago? Did you know what humanity was like? Do you know the mind of God so much so, that you can rationally conclude that you have a better understanding than a perfect, sovereign being? Would it have been better if God let people slaughter the Israelites, halt His plan, and prevent the birth of the Savior of the world? Would it have been better to let a few people live out their physical life, but condemn all humanity past, present, and future to Hell? There is a greater good at stake, that you apparently can't see. I'd much rather God have been harsh with ancient humanity and protect the Davidian blood line than let all humanity perish. To God, physical life is not the most important thing. It is such a short time compared to eternal life that it can't be held in the highest regard above all else.

Magus55

Ok, so God doesn't make the criminal. In other words, its impossible to ever do anything against God's will (God wouldn't have made you if you could). How again does this allow the freedom of choice?

dado

wow. guess he forgot to tell the Chosen People: for the past 3000 years Judaism has not only allowed, but MANDATED abortion under certain circumstances. Talmud speaks of reaching into the mother and tearing the near-born limb from limb with bare hands if that's what it takes to save the mother.

Magus55

All have sinned. Everyone has committed a crime against God.

God is Judge, Jury and Executioner. He is perfect and omniscient. He is a heck of a lot more fool-proof than the American government system. Murderers don't get away with their crimes in God's court. In America they can. And you seem to forget that there is a giant "trial". Its called Judgement Day, where every human's actions are weighed and judged.



Is there a point to answering this since the only reason you seem to bother replying is to make sarcastic jokes?



Not out of place, just created for a different time period. Most countries don't stone people for crimes.






I was referring to you. I trust that God does exist.


Goes to show how evil the world was back in the day. The whole world was evil during the flood. God listened to Abraham and spared most of Soddom and Gomorrah except the most evil there.



Except the surgeon can never make it as though he never lopped off the hand. There will be scars, probably impaired movement, etc. There are flaws. God can kill someone, reset time, and make it so they never died in the first place. So why is it a big deal if God has a good reason for ending someones life? He has power over life and death. Its his decision of what to do with it. Your body is a temple of God, not a temple of yourself.



1. Actually I think there is Biblical evidence for David and Job's kids going to Heaven. David's baby going to Heaven is one of the implications of an age of accountability.

2. And if those children are in Heaven, I'm sure they are eternally thanking God for saving them from a possible life of misery. Sorry but there is nothing on Earth that is worth giving up Heaven for.

Humans have the power to destroy their own souls by rejecting God. And no I was implying that by killing a human, you are denying them the right to ". . . a normal life here on earth, with their families, with spouses and children of their own some day", and it is 100% impossible for them to ever restore what they took. Its a power humans aren't equipped to deal with.

Again I disagree.



Sure, its been pouring here today. Floods every where. How about you?

DBT

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Eph. 1:4 ...He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world...
Eph. 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons...
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Free will?
Freedom of choice?

Magus55

Read the whole verse. Sounds to me like its referring to God predestining believers to be saved by Christ, instead of their own merit. In other words, God predetermined that Christ would be the Savior of believers, and not works. It is through Him that that promise of salvation is made possible. How does this conflict with free will? You can still choose not to be a believer.

Queen of Swords

So tell me what crime a zygote has committed. I want to hear the full, gory details of this tiny sinner's perversions.

In other words, he's abusing the system.

Perfectly vindictive and perfectly ludicrous, perhaps.

This explains why he ordered the Israelites to stone virgins who didn't bleed on their wedding nights.

Except for god. He can murder whoever he likes and escape. How is this just at all?

Wrong. If that human has accepted christ, that human's actions prior to acceptance - and perhaps even after - don't count.

If you post statements that make no sense, expect a joking response.

Great. In that case, the Ten Commandments were created for a different time period, not this one, and they shouldn't be put up anywhere today.

That's because most countries are a little more enlightened than the god of the bible.

How strange that you use the term "I", commonly referring to oneself, when you refer to me. This could indicate an unhealthy degree of enmeshment.

You mean even the little babies were evil, the fetuses were evil and the embryos were evil? The birds were evil, the plants were evil and the wind was evil?

And if the whole world was evil, then wasn't Noah evil as well? Why did God allow him to escape?

One family does not qualify as "most".

But if the surgeon's skills were good enough to overcome these problems - or say, medical science advanced to the point where he could stitch a hand back perfectly - then according to your reasoning, it would be perfectly all right for him to cut hands off. Correct?

And god can give himself a big red clown nose and stand upside down to amuse the kiddies. The question is, does he do this? If not, why is it relevant? Has he ever killed someone and reset time so that they never actually died?

So does a hit man holding a gun pointed at his victim. That doesn't make the hit man correct for pulling the trigger.

If it's a temple of God's, then he should have kept it, lovingly enshrined in a heavenly prison like Mr. Freeze's wife in Batman and Robin. By giving it to me, he made it mine, rather than his.

Simple analogy for you : If you give a birthday present to a friend, is the present still yours, or does it belong to the friend now?

Well, don't just say that. Provide quotes.

Don't just say that. Provide quotes to show that the baby went to heaven and there is an age of accountability.

Moreover, you do realize, don't you, that these are cases where god could have restored the people he murdered to life. He could have turned time back. But he didn't. So either you're wrong about his ability to turn time back, or your excuse for his murders is a poor one. It's similiar to an architectural and construction company burning down my house and then saying that they had every right to do it because they could rebuild it if they wanted to.

And if those children are in heaven, I'm sure that they are brainwashed so that they do what you think they're doing.

Yes, there is. Self-respect, for one. A marriage, for another (see below for further comments regarding marriage).

I've rejected god. Does this mean I'll never be able to sell my soul on ebay after all?

That's exactly what god does when he kills a person, and it's also impossible for him to restore what he took. Know why, Magus? You've supplied the answer yourself - no marriages and/or sex in heaven. Therefore, the kids whom god killed will never have a chance to marry and have children of their own some day.

Ooh. Someone's been evil.

breathilizer

Do all dogs go to heaven?

All birds?

All bugs?

All plants?

If so, could I smoke some weed in Heaven?

Queen of Swords

Further question. According to Magus, God is not alive in the biological sense, whatever that means. But what about Jesus's body? Did he take that to heaven with him, or did he leave it here on earth like a discarded chrysalis? If he took it to heaven, did it die there? If it somehow remained alive there, isn't God (the Jesus part of him, anyway) alive in the biological sense?

DBT

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"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son..." (Rom. 8: 29). Again, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will…"
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Ok,so some are clearly predestined for salvation before the "foundation of the world"
Others are "called" to Christ.



Where is the "free will" of those that are predestined for salvation?
Where is the "free will" for those who need clear evidence that something is true before they can choose?