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Darwin's Finch · 05-07-2003, 04:14 PM

Kudos to those of you with the patience to swim in that cesspool on a regular basis. I just spent an hour lurking there and reading through some of the threads in the Biology section, and I am amazed at what they (still) allow Socrates to get away with. Denis Lamoureux shows up with apparently the best of intentions, behaves toward Socrates like a perfect gentleman, and gets his head bitten off in the rudest manner. Then Lamoureux is censored?!?

I can't account for the moderator's actions, in this and many other instances, except to agree that S. enjoys a special status at Theologyweb that they aren't coming clean about. Safarti? I'm inclined to think so. Prick? Most definitely.

BTW, in my searches on Jonathan Safarti, I also encountered a Dr. Julian Safarti, mentioned in connection with some creationist to-do. A specific search on that name didn't yield any more information; however, I only used one search engine. Does anyone know anything about this guy? Does Jonathan have a brother? If so, and if that brother happens to be named Julian, this could be another possibility for Socrates' identity since it's not unreasonable to think that siblings engaged in the same venture might ape one another's rhetoric.

/Edited to add/ I revisited the site at which I saw Julian Safarti's name mentioned, and it turns out he is or once was a contributor to AiG. An article ascribed to him from Nov. '98 is mentioned. Interesting.

Jayjay · 05-07-2003, 04:49 PM

Note that the guy's name is Jonathan Sarfati, not Safarti. So if there is a creationist by the name of Julian Safarti out there, he's probably not related.

Valentine Pontifex · 05-07-2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kevbo
I think it's not unreasonable to say by now that Socrates is either Sarfati or his twin brother. Go back to his earliest posts on TWeb and notice how he is basically an AiG link machine. He writes things such as, "I think AiG says it best in this article," and then links to something written by no one other than the big J.S. himself. Here are some gems from his early work:

That simply is not Kosher. Giving one's own work high praise while refering to it in the third person using a pseudonym is rather low thing to do. It gives the false impression that an independent opinion is involved. Quite bluntly a Wall Street type doing that would be considered a scandal and at least they have the excuse that making money is their job.

RufusAtticus · 05-07-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Valentine Pontifex
Quite bluntly a Wall Street type doing that would be considered a scandal and at least they have the excuse that making money is their job.

Like AiG doesn't have that excuse?

Kevbo · 05-07-2003, 07:09 PM

LOL!

Jayjay · 05-07-2003, 07:17 PM

I have the impression that spreading lies and posing as the mightiest crusaders for creationism is a calling for the AiG weasels, and whatever money they get from selling their crap and donations is just convenient bonus.

Darwin's Finch · 05-07-2003, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jayjay
Note that the guy's name is Jonathan Sarfati, not Safarti. So if there is a creationist by the name of Julian Safarti out there, he's probably not related.

Shit. My bad. Carry on.

Valentine Pontifex · 05-07-2003, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the senior monarch of Majipoor
Quite bluntly a Wall Street type doing that would be considered a scandal and at least they have the excuse that making money is their job.

This got the following reply:

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Like AiG doesn't have that excuse?

They are a non-profit organization regardless of the rather high compensation that Ham gets. And frankly, Ham could make far more money in the outright for-profit sector. No matter what one thinks of his "science," his philosphy, and his theology, he can quite sucessfully run a complicated organization effectively. And that skill would generate big bucks in private business.

S2Focus · 05-07-2003, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Valentine Pontifex
This got the following reply:

They are a non-profit organization regardless of the rather high compensation that Ham gets. And frankly, Ham could make far more money in the outright for-profit sector. .....
.

That may or may not be the case...

I suspect that Ham's AIG salary isn't his biggest source of income. I'll bet he takes in a good chunk of change from book/tape/DVD sales...
Check out AIG's DVD selection and you'll see what I mean.

RufusAtticus · 05-08-2003, 01:52 AM

I get the AiG "newsletter," and it is nothing but a catalogue to order their merchandice. For a non-profit Christian "ministry" they sure do try to move a lot of products.

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05-07-2003, 04:14 PM	#51
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	Kudos to those of you with the patience to swim in that cesspool on a regular basis. I just spent an hour lurking there and reading through some of the threads in the Biology section, and I am amazed at what they (still) allow Socrates to get away with. Denis Lamoureux shows up with apparently the best of intentions, behaves toward Socrates like a perfect gentleman, and gets his head bitten off in the rudest manner. Then Lamoureux is censored?!? I can't account for the moderator's actions, in this and many other instances, except to agree that S. enjoys a special status at Theologyweb that they aren't coming clean about. Safarti? I'm inclined to think so. Prick? Most definitely. BTW, in my searches on Jonathan Safarti, I also encountered a Dr. Julian Safarti, mentioned in connection with some creationist to-do. A specific search on that name didn't yield any more information; however, I only used one search engine. Does anyone know anything about this guy? Does Jonathan have a brother? If so, and if that brother happens to be named Julian, this could be another possibility for Socrates' identity since it's not unreasonable to think that siblings engaged in the same venture might ape one another's rhetoric. /Edited to add/ I revisited the site at which I saw Julian Safarti's name mentioned, and it turns out he is or once was a contributor to AiG. An article ascribed to him from Nov. '98 is mentioned. Interesting.

05-07-2003, 04:49 PM	#52
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	Note that the guy's name is Jonathan Sarfati, not Safarti. So if there is a creationist by the name of Julian Safarti out there, he's probably not related.

05-07-2003, 07:09 PM	#55
Kevbo Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Posts: 212	LOL!

05-07-2003, 07:17 PM	#56
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	I have the impression that spreading lies and posing as the mightiest crusaders for creationism is a calling for the AiG weasels, and whatever money they get from selling their crap and donations is just convenient bonus.

05-08-2003, 01:52 AM	#60
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	I get the AiG "newsletter," and it is nothing but a catalogue to order their merchandice. For a non-profit Christian "ministry" they sure do try to move a lot of products.

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