KidFury

Therefore he cannot be said to be all-good... QED

yguy

'Fraid not, pilgrim. Your statement hardly follows ineluctably from mine.

If a father lets his daughter go out with a guy, having instilled in her sufficient morality to be able to say no, there is still the possibility that she will succumb to his advances. Is the father evil for allowing his daughter to be in danger?

KidFury

Ah... but said father is not both omniscient and omnipotent otherwise let me tell you that he would make it so no harm would befall his little girl

KidFury

Moreover, your analogy was too kind. In this case of God it's more like this:

Father teaches girl to say no and then puts her in a room full of guys to be gang raped and then says ''See, now you must learn from this experience so that you can understand the greater Good''

Toto

When someone asked Krishnamurthi why there was evil in the world, he said "to thicken the plot."

But this tells us that an onmi-everything God would only allow enough evil in the world to keep us challenged and entertained, but that all stories would eventually have a happy ending and the good guys would always win. You can look at history and current society and see that there is much more evil in the world than necessary for this, and the good guys do not always win in the short or the long run.

yguy

Yeah, I've heard of parents like that. Usually their kids turn out to be worthless caricatures of humanity.

yguy

You got it. There are women who have come out of such experiences better people.

Of course, to say God puts such women in such situations is highly question, since many women get into situations like that through their own stupidity. No, it's not their fault they were raped, but sometimes it IS their fault they were in the vicinity of such subhuman filth.

Dr Rick

The question is, "Has God thought of the alternative," and the answer must be "yes" or God is no longer omniscient.



The Problem of Evil Argument (PoE) argues that an omnipotent (all-poweful), omniscient (all-knowing) and omnibenevolent (all-loving) God (ooog) would have made the universe free of suffering and evil, and since we exist in a universe in which there is suffering and evil, the universe could not have been made by an ooog.

I definitely would if an ooog made me to be appreciative and able to grow and advance in that kind of world. If he didn't make me that way because he couldn't make me that way, then he is not omnipotent. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't know well enough to make me that way, then he is not omniscient. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't care to make me that way, then he is not omnibenevolent.

The PoE does not disprove the existence of all possible gods, but it shows that the Christian ooog is a logical contradiction. Since logical contradictions cannot logically exist, the PoE is an excellent reason not to believe in the Christian God

That's an irrelevant question. The proper inquiry is, "What is God's alternative?" If he has none, then he is not omnipotent. I wouldn't be bored if God made me not to be bored; If he didn't make me that way because he couldn't make me that way, then he is not omnipotent. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't know well enough to make me that way, then he is not omniscient. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't care to make me that way, then he is not omnibenevolent.

First of all, so what? Why would it matter? Second of all, if it does matter, why couldn't an ooog make me so that I do recognize it? If he can't do that, then he's not an ooog.

I could if god made me that way. If he didn't make me that way because he couldn't make me that way, then he is not omnipotent. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't know well enough to make me that way, then he is not omniscient. If he didn't make me that way because he didn't care to make me that way, then he is not omnibenevolent.

That's a false analogy, since those parents are not omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenovolent. An ooog could make those kids turn out much differently.

Unless the father is also an ooog, the question you pose is irrelevant.

Rick

yguy

What makes you think they don't? Sure, it may look that way from our limited perspective, but if you factor in the possibility of an afterlife, the possibilities take on a different tone.

yguy

Guess if He can't make a God more powerful than Himself, or a rock so big He can't move it, that makes him less than omnipotent too, huh? Or is it more likely that He just can't conform to the nonsensical standard imposed by human illogic?

This presumes that you have a sufficient handle on what good is to be able to pass judgment in the matter. Care to cite your qualifications?

Like all analogies, it is imperfect. There are parents whose wealth allows them to shield their children very effectively from societal stress.

Huh?