yguy

That's a lie.

Kimpatsu

Why is it a lie? Existence of god IS an assumption. There is no evidence of her existence.

yguy

Because I never asked anyone to assume God's existence.

Kimpatsu

So what did you mean by the following statement?

Abacus

Then why do you keep polluting this thread with with references to God as if Her existence were an incontrovertible fact?

yguy

Exactly what I said. There is no suggestion that anyone should assume anything.

Kimpatsu

The statement assumes the existence of god. Specifically, the Biblical god, and her spiritual separation from Joshua.

Abacus

So what is your argument then?

Scientists don't assume god(s). They've found no evidence for god(s).

Lobstrosity

Actually no, non-existence would be the default position. Assuming God's non-existence is on par with assuming the non-existence of Santa Claus. I do not think you're silly for failing to believe in my giant Jupiterian telepathic sloths. But according to you, your non-belief in my sloths is silly.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You do see how this is a straw man, right? Scientists may call a theory sexy when using colloquial terms because of the potential it holds. It's meant to be something to get excited over. Sexy holds no implications for how accurate it may turn out to be when empirically-challenged. If subsequent experiments show the theory to be faulty, it will be scrapped or revised.


Well, let's see. Theorists have fully-developed the classical foundation for electromagnitism and have moved on to characterize it in the quantum domain with QED. They then created a theory which unified the electromagnetic and weak forces. They have also characterized the strong force in the quantum domain using QCD. It certainly seems like it's possible to unify the forces. It's been done with two of them and the strong force no longer seems like such an odd-man-out. The progress towards unifying physics has been rather steady. So what progress can you show me towards the time when theories mean nothing and "a man will be able to ask the Rulemaker for an exemption"? What evidence suggests this will be possible. What current trends show that this will be the way of the future?


Yeah, maybe, were God to exist. However you don't assume the existence of God, so I think you must have meant to say, "I have no idea whether God exists. If God does exist, I have no idea what he's like and thus I have no idea how far away from him we might be."

yguy

It is your position, then, that the only alternative to assuming God exists is assuming He does not?

No help from the peanut gallery, please.

Nope.

You don't have to assume when you know.