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Kosh · 02-20-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by anime
What pirates?

Ion · 02-20-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Silent Acorns
Since no one has pointed out this out yet, I will:

Jeanne Calment was not a man but a WOMAN!

No kidding.

And S. Izumi (Japan) for example, born June 29, 1865, who died February 21, 1986, thus lived 120 years and 237 days, was a man.

Ion · 02-20-2003, 04:18 PM

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God chose a specific people from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to communicate with. Therefore He spoke in there language.
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Then tell 'God' to stay confined to 'Abraham', 'Isaac'and 'Jacob' (whoever these might be) in "...their language." (not "...there language.": trust me on proper English, even though I am a non-omnipotent and non-omniscient foreigner), and in regards to worshiping not bother the skeptics across the world who value consistency over inconsistency.

Will you?

anime · 02-21-2003, 11:06 AM

The true meaning is lost in the translation.

The word "man" in that verse is ha'adam = the Adam, not mankind in general. Therefore it was specific to him.

Some people have posted in response, to tell me their feelings about what they call an "omniscient" God (the word is not in the Bible) not providing proper translators.

But there has not been one post that proves the MSS wrong.

Silent Acorns · 02-21-2003, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by anime
Some people have posted in response, to tell me their feelings about what they call an "omniscient" God (the word is not in the Bible) not providing proper translators. [/B]

Psalm 147:5 "Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite."

1 John 3:20 "...God is greater than our heart, and knows all things."

Sounds like omniscience to me.

Ion · 02-21-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by anime
The true meaning is lost in the translation.
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And 'God', allegedly wanting to be worshiped in all languages, and defined like this:

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Originally posted by Silent Acorns
Psalm 147:5 "Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite."

1 John 3:20 "...God is greater than our heart, and knows all things."
...

cannot take care of the alleged mistranslation in English, which presently claims, against counter examples, that the human life is limited to 120 years?

You know, anime:
inconsistencies like this make a bad reputation for 'God', to the point of me thinking that 'God' doesn't exist.

anime · 02-22-2003, 10:22 AM

In 1 John 3:19-22, the subject is "Proof of our state before God". Yes, God does know all concerning how we think, feel, etc. But how will one think, feel, tomorrow?

If God knew that, we wouldn't have these verses:

1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who wills that all men should be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 9:9 The Lord is not but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God would like all men to be saved, but they won't all be saved. If God knew who would and who wouldn't, we wouldn't be going through all this.

"Understanding" in Psa. 147:5, has a wide variety of applications, and says nothing of his "knowledge" of who will change his mind toward or away from Him.

Ion · 02-22-2003, 06:47 PM

Your question:

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Originally posted by anime

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Yes, God does know all concerning how we think, feel, etc. But how will one think, feel, tomorrow?
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is answered here:

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Originally posted by Silent Acorns

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1 John 3:20 "...God is greater than our heart, and knows all things."
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So, after "...knows all things." (including "...how will one think, feel tomorrow..."), any shortcoming of 'God', disproves the existence of 'God'.

anime · 02-24-2003, 09:09 AM

I looked at that passage very closely, and I could not find the word "tomorrow".

Ion · 02-24-2003, 04:18 PM

You did look and wasted time because you don't think:

"...knows all things...", in English includes tomorrow, because tomorrow is part of "...all things...".

"...knows all things except what will happen tomorrow...", is not written in the Bible to support your apology.

Is "...knows all things..." another 'mistranslation' from Hebrew to English, anime?

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02-21-2003, 11:06 AM	#54
anime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 67	The true meaning is lost in the translation. The word "man" in that verse is ha'adam = the Adam, not mankind in general. Therefore it was specific to him. Some people have posted in response, to tell me their feelings about what they call an "omniscient" God (the word is not in the Bible) not providing proper translators. But there has not been one post that proves the MSS wrong.

02-22-2003, 10:22 AM	#57
anime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 67	In 1 John 3:19-22, the subject is "Proof of our state before God". Yes, God does know all concerning how we think, feel, etc. But how will one think, feel, tomorrow? If God knew that, we wouldn't have these verses: 1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who wills that all men should be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 2 Peter 9:9 The Lord is not but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God would like all men to be saved, but they won't all be saved. If God knew who would and who wouldn't, we wouldn't be going through all this. "Understanding" in Psa. 147:5, has a wide variety of applications, and says nothing of his "knowledge" of who will change his mind toward or away from Him.

02-24-2003, 09:09 AM	#59
anime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 67	I looked at that passage very closely, and I could not find the word "tomorrow".

02-24-2003, 04:18 PM	#60
Ion Banned Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,817	You did look and wasted time because you don't think: "...knows all things...", in English includes tomorrow, because tomorrow is part of "...all things...". "...knows all things except what will happen tomorrow...", is not written in the Bible to support your apology. Is "...knows all things..." another 'mistranslation' from Hebrew to English, anime?

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