Amos

He's moving is he? "Lucky guy," that's all I can say.

Ronin

Why is it that on thread after thread of this message board "Christian" is equated by non-theists with "Biblical inerrantist/literalist" when by everyone's estimate such inerrantists make up only a fraction of the Christian believers?

As for me ~ it is because all Christians are literalists and inerrantists.

Some just claim that they are able to detect the 'intent and context' of the 'divine word' beyond what non-theists quote, verse after verse, revealing the ludicrous nature of the lexicon of lies.

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Ronin

Then that would be you - if you believe your assertions

If you say so, HelenM.

Now then, look around you ~ breathe deep.

There is no God.

Your turn.

Unlikely but, perhaps you did.

Please ~ you've cut me deep.

HelenM

Ok...

Are you sure, if I look around, that I will see what you see? Perhaps I see differently. Have you ever heard this?

This is my Father’s world, and to my listening ears
All nature sings, and round me rings the music of the spheres.
This is my Father’s world: I rest me in the thought
Of rocks and trees, of skies and seas;
His hand the wonders wrought.

This is my Father’s world, the birds their carols raise,
The morning light, the lily white, declare their Maker’s praise.
This is my Father’s world: He shines in all that’s fair;
In the rustling grass I hear Him pass;
He speaks to me everywhere.

From <a href="http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/t/i/tismyfw.htm" target="_blank">This Is My Father's World by Maltbie Babcock</a>


It was not intentional - my apologies

Your turn.

take care
Helen

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Ronin

Well, the cornball music was enough to age me a hundred years, that is for sure.

The patriarchal prose is defeating the beauty of the inspirational nature of the work describing the real and enduring world.

I, in due turn, offer this ~

'Seeing the winter air
Float like a scrap of silk
From small black nose.

Pine needles cracking underpaw
As you shamble through your home.
Burrowed den
As good as any bed.

The joy of a simple chuff.

That is freedom.'



~edited due to technical error~

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Ronin

It has occurred to me that we have inadvertently diverted the thread topic with our musings.

My apology to the moderators.

I will consider creating a more conducive thread, HelenM.

Until then, have a wonderful day.

HelenM

Good point.

Mine also

Good idea . I daresay another forum would be more appropriate for it. Feel free to PM/e-mail me if I don't seem to notice it...

You too

take care
Helen

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rdalin

It has been my experience that many Christians assume Jesus's historicity as a first step in a proof that he was the son of god, or part of god, or whatever he is supposed to have been. After all, without a real historical person behind the stories, you can't go any further.

Bede

Perhaps, when you have been here a little longer, you would like to look through my hundreds of posts on these boards and show me where I have done this. Until then, why not keep your experience to yourself?

As you haven't been here long, you might like to read <a href="http://www.bede.org.uk/methodologies.htm" target="_blank">this</a> on the academically accepted methods used in studying the historical Jesus. Vork rejects them all (as he keeps repeating endlessly) but given that professional secular historians do not, who cares what Vork thinks?

Yours

Bede

<a href="http://www.bede.org.uk" target="_blank">Bede's Library - faith and reason</a>

Psycho Economist

You can check my previous posts... i'm too new here to have done that yet. (I do make a few references to fundamentalists in this context, though. I hope that doesn't pass your threshold as an unacceptable stereotype.)

Speaking from experience, my mother's pastor's sermon series about the dangers of "Cafeteria Christianity*" inspired me to look long and hard at the bible vs. "worldly" sources of knowledge... and four years later I came to the conclusion that worldly knowledge wins.

Also, I'd hope you'd agree that a much larger percentage of the Christians who come here are evangellicals and fundamentalists, compared to their prevalence in the population.

(* His assertion was that we mere individuals did not have the moral authority to decide what was was true in the bible and what was not. The editing was finished by the various ecumenical committees just the way "God" wanted it.)