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Ultron · 07-23-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by King Rat
I can't believe how obsessed with Clinton some people are.

I didn't bring him up, Loren did. I just responded to his assertion that Clinton did something about the Taliban and Bush didn't. For the record Bush removed them from power.

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Originally posted by King Rat
I can understand trying to pin economic isues on Clinton, but our current foreign and domestic policy, or lack thereof, is entirely because of Bush.

No Clinton had nothing to do with our economic success. I never said that. I said that Bush was more successful than Clinton was as regime change. That's a totally different subject than the economy. Both presidents advocated the same thing. They both worked on the same thing. But Bush got the job done.

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Originally posted by King Rat
Did Clinton invent the 'Coalition of the Willing' or the 'Patriot Act' too?

The Coalition of the Willing was Bush's success. The Patriot act was a legislative act. Congress overwhelmingly voted for it. The President just presents the bill. It's up to the house and the senate to approve it. That got bipartisan support. Write your congressman.

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One thing I do remember very well about Clinton is how well my 401k was doing while he was in office. Compare that to all the minus signs in my 401k over the past few years. I guess abstinence isn't good for the economy.

hehe

Ultron · 07-23-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by eldar1011
I'm not sure if al Qaeda could be accurately characterized as the "military wing of the Taliban".

I am.

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Originally posted by eldar1011
They certainly didn't act under Taliban orders. They may have been associated "muscle", but I doubt their connection was more than that.

They were the military wing and Bin Laden was their general.

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Originally posted by eldar1011
Let's be clear here, 9/11 is what led to the fall of the Taliban and the dispersal of al Qaeda. Prior to that awful day, terrorism was NOT priority #1 with the Bush Administration.

Nor with any previous administration. :shrug:

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Originally posted by eldar1011
Dealing with international terrorism was NOT a Bush campaign platform. The removal of oppressive regimes and subsequent nation building was NOT a Bush campaign platform.

Ditto for the previous presidents.

Should any president not go to war just because they don't list it in their platform? Should all presidential candidates provide a list of nations they are prepared to invade when they take office? What about the coupe in Haiti Clinton supervised? I don't recall that being in his platform either. How about Bush 1 and the Gulf War? I don't recall any peice of his platform calling for the invasion of Iraq. Or Grenada, Panama and Libya under Reagen, and so on?

Nobody campaigns on creating war.

King Rat · 07-23-2003, 12:34 PM

Sorry for the confusion Ultron, my post wasn't specifically directed at you, great reply though.

Farren · 07-23-2003, 12:39 PM

Ultron. Al Qaeda was not the military wing of the Taliban. You can repeat it till you go green. It won't make it so. Frankly I'm not surprised you hold the views you did if you have such erroneous facts at your disposal.

eldar1011 · 07-23-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Ultron
Should any president not go to war just because they don't list it in their platform? Should all presidential candidates provide a list of nations they are prepared to invade when they take office? What about the coupe in Haiti Clinton supervised? I don't recall that being in his platform either. How about Bush 1 and the Gulf War? I don't recall any peice of his platform calling for the invasion of Iraq. Or Grenada, Panama and Libya under Reagen, and so on?

Nobody campaigns on creating war.

If the end of the Taliban and disperal of al Qaeda was simply a response to 9/11, then Bush should not get credit for reacting as any sitting President would have. To claim that Bush did something while Clinton did not is disingenous and ignores the fact that it was simply a reaction to circumstance and NOT a virtue that Bush possessed over Clinton.

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07-23-2003, 12:34 PM	#43
King Rat Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,855	Sorry for the confusion Ultron, my post wasn't specifically directed at you, great reply though.

07-23-2003, 12:39 PM	#44
Farren Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 2,194	Ultron. Al Qaeda was not the military wing of the Taliban. You can repeat it till you go green. It won't make it so. Frankly I'm not surprised you hold the views you did if you have such erroneous facts at your disposal.

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