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S2Focus · 09-28-2002, 10:31 AM

Read all about it <a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/0902/28columntwo.html" target="_blank">here</a>.

09-28-2002, 11:31 AM

I don't think that any creationists should get too exited about this. He does at least state the following:

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I think that the standard evolutionary model does a good job of categorizing and systematizing the fossil record. It serves as an effective umbrella or big tent under which to collect a large number of observations.

And I guess a 'B' is better than nothing!

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and continuing to recent fabricated fossil "discoveries" in China, that have been embraced as missing links by distinguished paleontologists.

Discovery should be the correct word here, and it was debunked by distinguished paleontologists i believe.

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My third area of reservation is that I find no satisfactory mechanism for macroevolutionary changes. Analogies between a few inches of change in the beaks of a Galapagos finch species and a purported transition from dinosaur to bird (or vice versa) appear to me inappropriate.

More qualified people who post here can answer these questions. Regarding birds I could at least point out an earlier link I posted.

<a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/museum/tempexhib/dinobirds/" target="_blank">http://www.nhm.ac.uk/museum/tempexhib/dinobirds/</a>

Bubba · 09-28-2002, 11:59 AM

Ya gotta wonder if any good thing comes out of UGA.

(Just kidding, Rufus)

I don't see any real new or novel arguements here.

Bubba

Dr.GH · 09-28-2002, 12:05 PM

There was a counter argument <a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/0902/28columnone.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

Feather · 09-28-2002, 12:20 PM

Chemists are a bit off anyway.

RufusAtticus · 09-28-2002, 01:27 PM

Fritz is a big fat liar.

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As a theorist who uses quantum mechanics to solve problems ranging from biochemistry to astrophysics, the subject of this essay is of great interest to me.

Bullshit. He is not interested in evolution at all. He never comes to any evolutionary biology talks on campus. He is not a member of any EB email groups on campus. Essentally, he doesn't bother to avail himself of the world-class resources that UGA has for the study of evolution.

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My third area of reservation is that I find no satisfactory mechanism for macroevolutionary changes. Analogies between a few inches of change in the beaks of a Galapagos finch species and a purported transition from dinosaur to bird (or vice versa) appear to me inappropriate.

There you have it folks, a chemist doubts the conclusions of biology. What's next, biologists questioning gravity?

RufusAtticus · 09-28-2002, 01:55 PM

Look at some work by Fritz, right hand man.

<a href="http://www.uga.edu/cff/materials/russ_nas.html" target="_blank">A Critique of the National Academy of Science�s Guidebook on Teaching Evolution in Grades K-12</a>

<a href="http://bob.nap.edu/html/evolution98/contents.html" target="_blank">Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science</a>

Albion · 09-28-2002, 02:57 PM

I see he's a fellow of the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture. Wonder why the newspaper article didn't mention that.

Clutch · 09-28-2002, 04:05 PM

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My third area of reservation is that I find no satisfactory mechanism for macroevolutionary changes.

"I just can't bring myself to believe this."

I seem to recall Dawkins citing a distinguished physicist who refuted evolution just as elegantly, by pointing out that there was no evolutionary reason for polar bears to be white -- after all, nothing hunts them!

Yep, I can't figure out how this could work, from the forty minutes I've spent thinking about it. Therefore, biologists are full of shit.

Quetzal · 09-28-2002, 10:00 PM

Rufus: any information on this "Science and Christianity" course this clown teaches?

09-28-2002, 10:31 AM	#1
S2Focus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1162 easy freeway minutes from the new ICR in TX Posts: 896	UGA Chemistry professor dismantles evolutionary theory Read all about it <a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/0902/28columntwo.html" target="_blank">here</a>.

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09-28-2002, 11:59 AM	#3
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	Ya gotta wonder if any good thing comes out of UGA. (Just kidding, Rufus) I don't see any real new or novel arguements here. Bubba

09-28-2002, 12:05 PM	#4
Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	There was a counter argument <a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/0902/28columnone.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

09-28-2002, 12:20 PM	#5
Feather Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,827	Chemists are a bit off anyway.

09-28-2002, 01:55 PM	#7
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Look at some work by Fritz, right hand man. <a href="http://www.uga.edu/cff/materials/russ_nas.html" target="_blank">A Critique of the National Academy of Science�s Guidebook on Teaching Evolution in Grades K-12</a> <a href="http://bob.nap.edu/html/evolution98/contents.html" target="_blank">Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science</a>

09-28-2002, 02:57 PM	#8
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	I see he's a fellow of the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture. Wonder why the newspaper article didn't mention that.

09-28-2002, 10:00 PM	#10
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Rufus: any information on this "Science and Christianity" course this clown teaches?

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