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Old 10-18-2002, 05:56 PM   #61
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If there are two people involved, a driver and a shooter, I'm willing to bet the tip of the lunch I've already bet on the fact the guy is white, that the driver would most certainly be a woman!

Could be wrong, but I can only picture a pair of white hick males that would work with a two male scenerio. A very good shot dumbass with his even dumber ass bad shot friend. But if there is a driver, then that means a few things.
1) There is a strong bond between the two. Obviously wouldn't be going along unless there was a strong bond.
2) The driver needs to be "passive". The shooter is having all the "fun". The andrenaline, the excitement, the pure power of shooting someone. So the driver would have to not want to do it, but be a part of it. I feel it would make much more sense if the second person is a woman because point 1 would be certain and it would follow the passive role.
3) These are purely thrill killings. That tarot card, if real, was either not from them or it was placed there to decoy the cops. This couple isn't very religious, though, they probably do believe in god. They are strongly conservative on the spectrum. Killers are rarely liberals.
4) And if it is a couple, the age would pan out well. They're either both in their upper 20's or he's in his 30's and she's in her mid to upper 20's.

This person is a criminal. He wasn't in the military! Perhaps he tried, but failed the competence test. This guy isn't too bright overall knowledge wise, but he knows what he is doing. He is laying low right now which means that he or they got spooked by how close the cops came to getting them. They'll strike again, for sure. It could be a week or a month. But they will. They have to. Its a drug. And they'll continue it until they are either shot dead or commit suicide. This pact won't surrender to the cops. They're last attempt was very risky. Hubris may have gotten the better of the shooter team, but from the recent silence, he may have regained control.

I just hope they make a mistake or better yet, they go out, buy a Ford Explorer on Firestone tires and roll it over.
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Old 10-18-2002, 07:58 PM   #62
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From CNN; <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/18/sniper.shootings/index.html" target="_blank">here,</a> "Investigators of the Washington-area sniper shootings seized a white box truck at a car rental agency after a shell casing was found inside, police said. The caliber of the casing is unknown. Results of ballistics testing is expected Saturday."

So if this pans out, then I may have been right on target as far as how these two are doing it. They have their target areas mapped out, and they drive around until they get a good target, the shooter lines it up, the driver checks out the scene and gives the OK, the shot is fired and they drive off as though nothing has happened. In the case of the delivery truck, all they would have to do is roll open the back door a little, the shooter is laying down inside the back and shooting out of the opening. It will be interesting to see if this is a good lead, or another false trail. Will they find the rental record that leads them to the pair, or did the pair have access to the keys somehow and just borrow the truck? All we can do at this point is speculate. Hopefully this will be the break the cops need.

JH, I think you may end up owing me lunch on this, it doesn’t look like the lone white wacko this time, we'll see how it pans out. I still think it will still turn out to be al Qaida or some other religious group who wants to sow terror, and perhaps distract the police in the area while the real terrorist action is being set up. We'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong about this being a distraction for the real action to come. If I'm not, it'll be something big, a huge truck bomb, perhaps even a dirty bomb or something else just as bad or worse.

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Another shooting. In the cover of dark, near a good getaway spot. This attack says something important. He (they) are very wary of where they attack now. They moved down south because they felt they'd be captured.

However, in order to get away, they probably needed to stake out the place. It might be a couple of days, but this one may cost them dearly. Hopefully someone saw him (them) acting suspciously the day before at the site.
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<a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-10-15&res=l" target="_blank">this</a> sums up the possibilities quite nicely.
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Quote:
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<strong><a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-10-15&res=l" target="_blank">this</a> sums up the possibilities quite nicely.</strong>
Bwahahaha!

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Old 10-22-2002, 06:36 PM   #66
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Two more killings, a ransom note, cryptic messages from the police to the killer, this is starting to look like a Kafka novel. Calling him a sniper gives real snipers a bad name, one of my friends in Vietnam was a sniper. This guy is just someone who can hit stationary targets at a reasonable range. Still looks like a religious nut to me who may be about to reveal his agenda to the world, time will tell.

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Jimmy's theory sounds pretty solid to me. I'd be very surprised if this was Middle Eastern terrorists. I reckon it's someone who either wanted to be in the military, or wanted to be a cop; but was rejected. His partner is either his girlfriend or his boyfriend - take your pick.
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You know, the signs this person is giving out are now starting to conflict. If there have been phone calls and messages left behind, this guy may be growing a tolerance to his killings, which is good and bad. Good because he'll take more chances. Bad because he'll take more chances.

I think its clear the person is not al Qaeda, though. I think that would have found its way into the press by now. Hopefully this guy will need to get his license renewed. It'll take them about 1 week at the DMV, so we'd see some quiet time.
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BREAKING NEWS. Authorities have issued a Federal arrest warrant and an APB for John Allen Williams, aka John Muhammad, 42, black--who is former combat support in Army, but not with sniper training--& his step-son, John Lee Malvo, 17, a Jamaican, and are searching for a blue or burgundy 1990 Chevy Caprice, New Jersey license plate NDA-21Z.

The two are "armed and extremely dangerous" and people are asked NOT to approach them, draw their attention or acknowledge them in any way, but instead to immdiately contact authorities.

Public is asked to call 911, or the FBI hotline, set up for this case, at 1-888-324-9800, if the men or car are spotted (photos of the two men were released to the press).

They are not labeled as "suspects" but only "people of interest to the investigation". The press knows more but have been asked not to reveal it yet. Police say not to assume that these people are suspects, but you can draw your own conclusions from the announcement.

Authorities have also been investigating two homes on the West Coast, in Washington State, that have an apparent connection to the two men, one in Tacoma, where someone had engaged in target practice, and the police took a large tree stump to which the targets were attached in order to check bullets that may be embedded in the stump. John Alan Williams apparently has relatives in the D.C. area.

I will continue to edit this post if anything new comes up while I am awake.

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Thanks for the update galiel. I just got in, and I find the name of the man their looking for interesting. They are also searching a terrorist training camp for Muslims in Alabama called camp ground zero, according to the news. Hmm, looks like things might be falling into place finally. They may finally have given the police the break they needed. I hope so.

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