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Old 06-14-2003, 06:55 AM   #21
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It's a forgery, Haran. We already know that.


Who's we? Surely you don't mean the esteemed Dr. Frank Moore Cross?
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Who's we? Surely you don't mean the esteemed Dr. Frank Moore Cross?
I'm not the least bit worried about his opinion. Authentification by experts is common in every good forgery. Look at the Ching Shan diaries, which were authenticated by experts numerous times. Or van Meegeren's Vermeers, which were also authenticated by experts, or the Hitler diaries, or the Ruchomovsky gold artifacts, or the sculptures of Bastianini, or much "neolithic" art, or the Getty Kouros, perhaps the most famous probably forgery of all. Experts can always be found to authenticate any forgery, especially one that appeals to their theological, social, or political assumptions. Like this one.

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Inscription a forgery

At first I thought someone came clean on the buybull....
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"The James inscription cut through the ancient limestone box's patina, a thin coating acquired with age, the experts said, proving the writing was not ancient."

I guess that settles it.

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I'm not the least bit worried about his opinion. Authentification by experts is common in every good forgery. Look at the Ching Shan diaries, which were authenticated by experts numerous times. Or van Meegeren's Vermeers, which were also authenticated by experts, or the Hitler diaries, or the Ruchomovsky gold artifacts, or the sculptures of Bastianini, or much "neolithic" art, or the Getty Kouros, perhaps the most famous probably forgery of all.
And of course, not forgetting the Secret Gospel of Mark.

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Hey Bede, who has made the best case for forgery of Secret Mark? And when do you think the forgery was done? Thanks!

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Old 06-18-2003, 06:42 AM   #27
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Hi Peter,

This might well be of interest from one of our regulars. Given the document disappeared and has not be found for testing or anything else we can assume it is a fake. It's like only having pictures of the ossuary/tablet and being expected to believe it was real. Basically, if the artifact is hidden (eh, lost) then they have something to hide.

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This might well be of interest from one of our regulars....

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Thanks Bede.

I recently finished formatting these articles and posted them on my website with copyright permission.

In the first article, Quentin Quesnell points out that Smith's poor methodology opened up the door for others to assume that Secret Mark is a forgery, and possibly a recent one (with the thinly veiled implication that Morton Smith or an accomplice could have been the forger).

I've looked up some of Smith's works that were quoted by Quesnell and find that Quesnell made a pretty good case against Smith, albeit circumstantial. I found it incredible that Smith's very own doctoral thesis contained ideas that are eerily similar to the storyline of Secret Mark!

Anyway, please email me if you notice any typos, etc.

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Thanks for the info. I've always felt Secret Mark was a forgery by Smith. Now I have even more reason to think so.

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What's your website URL, Haran? Why don't you add it to your profile, so that we can access it easily. Thanks!
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