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HelenM · 10-07-2002, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Undercurrent:
Originally posted by HelenM: What do you find scary about that quote? I agree that every movie is as indoctrinating as Jonah (the Veggie Tales one). I think it's foolish not to realize that movies are powerful and they all push their own worldview.

Just the notion that human achievement (the triumph of reason, evolution and the progress of the human spirit) is somehow inadequate without a captial-A Author. I would not have chilren taught that to achieve is not a goal in itself and must be validated by the ass-smooching of any external entity to count.

Actually I'd say they believe strongly in achievement and excellence since they've worked hard to make Veggie Tales way better than most Christian videos for children. And I'd say they've succeeded at that.

I think it's more that he was implying the specific things he listed were part of a worldview antithetical to Christianity. But he didn't say 'achievement' was anti-Christian. The things he listed are seen to represent the glorification of man as opposed to God, I suppose. Perhaps there are things to be scared about but I'd say you need to look at specifics before you conclude such as thing as 'Veggie Tales discourages achievement' which doesn't seem to be at all the case, as best I can tell.

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Granted that the author does not take this to the extremes, (e.g. the Jack Chick doctorine of "faith in God trumps any human achievement as an indicator of value",) but it is a step in that direction.

I'd agree - I think Veggie Tales is quite moderate in various ways, but, then, 'moderate' is a relative term...

take care
Helen

Kosh · 10-07-2002, 11:41 AM

We have several of the videos, and my boys love them. Ya gotta admit, they are funny. SO we'll go see the movie, but you can bet there'll be a little "critical thinking" session in the minivan, sponsered by Dad. It should be interesting, since my 9 year old already surmised the truth about Santa Claus "C'mon Dad, every house in the world? In just ONE night? It's just not feasible!".

So Son, how could someone survive in the belly of a whale?

The Resistance · 10-07-2002, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Starboy:
Somehow there is something very fitting in a collection of vegetables teaching children Christianity.

Starboy

Dammit, you stole my idea! It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title.

Evil Milkman · 10-07-2002, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh:
We have several of the videos, and my boys love them. Ya gotta admit, they are funny. SO we'll go see the movie, but you can bet there'll be a little "critical thinking" session in the minivan, sponsered by Dad. It should be interesting, since my 9 year old already surmised the truth about Santa Claus "C'mon Dad, every house in the world? In just ONE night? It's just not feasible!".

So Son, how could someone survive in the belly of a whale?

Brilliant! This is what is needed to be done. Teach children to think critically and open-mindly.

Now, if your child responds to the "how could someone survive in the belly of the whale?" question by saying "Goddidit", then you've got problems.

(edited for missing words)

[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: Evil Milkman ]

Jamie_L · 10-09-2002, 08:29 AM

"Please don't cry, Barbara.
You're a nice Manitee.
You've been so good to me.
But I must go into the world and do noble things for the good of all,
And you can't come because you don't speak French."
Exceprt from the daytime drama, "Endangered Love"

Jamie

Boro Nut · 10-09-2002, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by atheist_in_foxhole:
Talking vegetables teach children about the Bible

Yes I remember it well. Whatever did become of sister Benedict I wonder?

Boro Nut

frostymama · 10-09-2002, 08:59 AM

I guess I must be the only person who thinks that the videos suck. IMO they are about the same level of quality as Jay-Jay the Jet Plane. My kid didn't like them at all.

Kosh · 10-09-2002, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:


Yes I remember it well. Whatever did become of sister Benedict I wonder?

Boro Nut

I don't egg-xactly rememter...

butswana · 10-09-2002, 11:12 AM

You're not the only one, mama. I think they suck!
My three year old son likes to play the Star Wars Trilogy arcade game at the theatre. Which we found when my wife wanted some "movie" popcorn.
We went there a few days ago to blow up some chicken walkers. As we were entering the building, some older guy said,"going to see veggie tales, eh?"
To which I replied, "Not on your life, pal. We don't do that Jesus thing."
I must have startled him because he stopped walking and stood there with a puzzled look on his face. Maybe he didn't know what those nasty vegatables are really up to.

[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Bree ]

Mad Kally · 10-09-2002, 12:15 PM

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originally posted by butswana:
You're not the only one, mama. I think they suck [edited]!

What a brilliant thing to say. That will really help any lurkers to gain respect for us.

[Edited to add: if you can get edited for saying f*ckwit...well, you get my drift. BJM]

[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Bree ]

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butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	You're not the only one, mama. I think they suck! My three year old son likes to play the Star Wars Trilogy arcade game at the theatre. Which we found when my wife wanted some "movie" popcorn. We went there a few days ago to blow up some chicken walkers. As we were entering the building, some older guy said,"going to see veggie tales, eh?" To which I replied, "Not on your life, pal. We don't do that Jesus thing." I must have startled him because he stopped walking and stood there with a puzzled look on his face. Maybe he didn't know what those nasty vegatables are really up to. [ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Bree ]</p>

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10-07-2002, 11:41 AM	#12
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	We have several of the videos, and my boys love them. Ya gotta admit, they are funny. SO we'll go see the movie, but you can bet there'll be a little "critical thinking" session in the minivan, sponsered by Dad. It should be interesting, since my 9 year old already surmised the truth about Santa Claus "C'mon Dad, every house in the world? In just ONE night? It's just not feasible!". So Son, how could someone survive in the belly of a whale?

10-09-2002, 08:29 AM	#15
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	"Please don't cry, Barbara. You're a nice Manitee. You've been so good to me. But I must go into the world and do noble things for the good of all, And you can't come because you don't speak French." Exceprt from the daytime drama, "Endangered Love" Jamie

10-09-2002, 08:59 AM	#17
frostymama Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Georgia USA Posts: 927	I guess I must be the only person who thinks that the videos suck. IMO they are about the same level of quality as Jay-Jay the Jet Plane. My kid didn't like them at all.

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