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Old 05-09-2003, 01:18 PM   #21
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17) The biggest trouble such de facto monarchies have is: succession. For there is no way to guarantee that the successor, even if a direct biological descendant of the original 'monarch', will have the right quality or qualities to continue the dynasty.

which kind of nullifies all your arguements about choosing a monarch based on their qualities
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I'm not 'arguing for'; I'm observing the way the world works: new regimes (Hitler's taking over from the Weimar Republic) USUALLY are initiated by such an individual (one with one or more extraordinary personal powers) but the problem of succession is:

1) succession through birth doesn't guarantee competence.

2) succession through infighting, though perhaps supplying more 'selective pressures' to use an evolutionary term, can still produce a mediocre to incompetent leader: see Brezhnev and Chernenko in the Soviet Union.

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How often is "quite often"? I haven't heard of a mad king or queen in quite some time.
It's indeed been a while since the last really mad one. Fortunately.
It's still a risk though, and unless there were some real advantages it's not a risk we should take.

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how many people would watch the wedding of one of his daughters if it were to happen now?
Probably less than a royal wedding. That's true. But I don't really see that as an advantage though.

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The point is not to create a perfect democracy, the point is, as one politician once put it, "to keep things together". The fashion in which this happens is irrelevant - but a constitutional monarchy gets the job done fairly well.
It's true that it's probably not possible the reach a prefect democracy, but that doesn't mean we have to make it any worse.
Our royal family has a quite a few questionable pages (if you can call genocide questionable) in it's history.

I don't agree that a constitutional monarchy works any better than a constitutional republic though.
France, USA, ... There are plenty of examples of countries who work fine without a monarchy.

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But the first point just shows that the people of Liechtenstein (over 80% of them anyway) value a monarchy higher than a democracy.
64% of them. 88% of the people actually voted. (standaard.be, you need a subscription though.)
But there would have been economic consequences for them too, and Liechtenstein is a tax haven.

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Old 05-09-2003, 02:03 PM   #23
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It's indeed been a while since the last really mad one.
They just don't make 'em like they used to...

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