Cojana

Member Mageth, coitus? thank you for the term, I'll be using it,.. its not so much that God was pissed off, God conplimented itself for thinking of a method to throw Choas into the mix, now it has something to amuse itself for ages to come, so far so evily good..

malookiemaloo

Perhaps this should be in the philosophy forum. How can an omnipotent God not have created evil. I am sure that the philosophers will come up with something.

However. The existence of evil alongside an all knowing, loving omnipotent God is one of the most difficult concepts to comprehend. (Noah's ark is a piecs of cake by comparison.)

But what is evil? Is it a 'thing'? It could be nothing and acts in the same way that a hole in a valuable painting renders it imperfect. Or in this context does nothing become something? Another one for the philosophers, I fear.

However, if you love someone you cannot do so unless you know what hate is. We have a choice. We cannot choose the good unless we know the bad. 'Evil makes sin possible, creatures make it actual.' If God is good then surely evil, or the potential to commit it, must always have existed? Otherwise how would anyone know God is good? Therefore He did not 'create' evil.

Is there a purpose to evil? How could we understand the cross if we were not sinners?

Sorry if the above is a bit disjointed


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Ronin

You've just negated the concept of Heaven.

malookiemaloo

You'll have to run that one past me again.


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Cojana

The way I see it, Coitus,whrought Choas,and death, thus making coitus the greatest evil, but it are through that evil that we are born,. thus evil are good, it are through evil that we procreate, and that are the most important and significant event in our existence, take a look at your kids, evil little tyke's aren't they? without evil, we would be as exciting as a blade of grass,a tree,or a worm, it knows no evil, but humanity, we go to see movies not because of the good endings but because of the negative elements inbetween,evil, were Ghouls, face it, evil are life's motivations, our senses were built through evil,am I making Evil clear? thinmk before you dispute,...

Mageth

However, if you love someone you cannot do so unless you know what hate is.

How so?

We have a choice. We cannot choose the good unless we know the bad.

If there was no bad, we'd have no option but to choose the good, would we? And there could be multiple goods to choose from, thus retaining "free will".

'Evil makes sin possible, creatures make it actual."

And religion created the concept of sin, and defines "evil". Do away with religion to do away with sin.

If God is good then surely evil, or the potential to commit it, must always have existed? Otherwise how would anyone know God is good? Therefore He did not 'create' evil.

If God is the source of all being, the source of existence, then either god created evil or evil is part of god. Dualizing god and evil into separate existences is a dangerous place to go; are you sure you want to go there?

Is there a purpose to evil? How could we understand the cross if we were not sinners?

If there was no evil, what need for the cross? If religion hadn't invented the concept of "sin" and man inherently a "sinner", what need for the cross?

Do away with the religious impositions of sin, sinner, and the need for the cross if you wish to find true salvation.

BioBeing

I agree this may been bumped to ~E~ a little prematurely.

Do you comprehend the concept? [If so, explain the ark to me also ] Many books have been written by Christian appologists about it - it seems that many people do not get it. Maybe its just a result of a book poorly put together by fallible humans... Maybe the concept of an omnibenevolent, omnipotent God is just too much of a paradox?

How do you know you cannot love if you did not have hate? What about like and dislike? It doesn't have to be an all or nothing...

If God created everything a la genesis, then how could evil have existed before God? Or are you saying that evil is merely an absence of God? (except God is supposed to be everywhere). But then, I'd say the default would be not caring, not evil. To be evil is to make a conscious effort, as is to be good. Apathy seems to be the middle ground.

And what about my quotes above? God says he DID create evil, just as surely as he created good.

The bible has to make us evil sinners so we can accept the need for us to be cleansed of our sin. Circular.

Opera Nut

So why is human sexual intercourse arbitrarily evil, when every other mammal on earth has the same reproductive biology, hormones, reproductive structures, etc.? Or Xtians don't want us to be lumped with those "lower animals" that we are really very much like biologically??

Why do you think that biology students dissect cats, dogs, rats and pigs to learn about human anatomy? Because it's quite similar.

We have the same bones, muscles, joints and organs that other mammals do, they are just shaped differently in some cases.

Cojana

Going by Genesis,with my own interpretation, God created a paradise,then created Adam and Eve to inhabit its creations. it was an eternity before God realized it was not going good, so God implemented a method to produce Sin, this method contrived a tree of Knowledge, God thought, These two morons will fall into my plan like babies, of which there were none then, so God calls Adam and Eve, listen Morons, I just put a tree of knowledge in the garden , and I don't want you twerps to touch that tree,if you do you will know whats up,and ye will surely Die,! you know the rest,but the apple are a metaphor for Coitus,(intercourse) so God punished Adam and Eve for discovering how to use thier perpective endowments, thus Sin was born with its punishment of Death,.Eve was picked to bear Children in pain, kicked them out of paradise and Choas ensued, God thought,whatta Genius I are, I'll be amused for eons to come, Evil are Life's motivations without Evil, Life would be as exciting as a blade of grass....