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Old 07-30-2003, 05:07 AM   #161
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I AM BAFFLED...
And your point is...??!?
I was just channeling my inner kilroy
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TheSwampThing, how dare you post these things without having been there to witness it personally from every angle simultaneously! You're just some kind of book-reading smarty pants guy that I'm superior to in every way nyah nyah nyah (or something)
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I was just channeling my inner kilroy.
Appeal to Ridicule Fallacy...

Well what do you know! Arken is showing us what a hypocrite he can be

LOL!!!
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Old 07-30-2003, 07:27 AM   #163
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Appeal to Ridicule Fallacy...

Well what do you know! Arken is showing us what a hypocrite he can be

LOL!!!
For such a superior being, you don't seem able to recognize someone blatantly mocking you.
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Old 07-30-2003, 07:46 AM   #164
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You know, there is a simple solution to all of this speculation (though not necessarily conclusive if demonstrated false): Were any of the bodies in gas masks or were there any gas masks nearby? If not, why not?

Wouldn't somebody expecting to be caught alive and knowing the tactics of American soldiers (having been, most likely, trained at least indirectly by them a decade or so ago and having watched just about all of American exported "culture") also be expecting a knock-out gas attack, and therefore be wearing his mask at all times?

Haven't we all seen the same movies, where the "bad guy" says, "You've got to arrest me, you're a cop!?" Only occasionally does the cop actually kill him in that situation (the later killing being saved for a legally defensible move on behalf of the "bad guy").

Seems to me a simple question would be, where were their gasmasks to prevent themselves from being easily knocked-out by American gas attacks? I certainly don't see any marks from extensive, four hour long (or even periodic) wearing of any gasmasks on the photos.

Or didn't they think that American soldiers would even attempt to capture them alive?
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Seems to me a simple question would be, where were their gasmasks to prevent themselves from being easily knocked-out by American gas attacks? I certainly don't see any marks from extensive, four hour long (or even periodic) wearing of any gasmasks on the photos.
According to the Newsweek article, not only were they not carrying gas masks, but they seemed woefully unprepared for any type of siege or even waging a guerilla war against US forces:

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And what did Uday Hussein carry to the fight? After a hot and noisy siege last week, American soldiers found, in the rubble near his body, his briefcase. The contents, NEWSWEEK has learned, included painkillers, numerous bottles of cologne, Viagra, unopened packages of men’s underwear, dress shirts, a silk tie and a single condom. Uday and his brother, Qusay, also had with them a huge stash of cash, as well as, for some reason, two ladies’ purses.
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For such a superior being, you don't seem able to recognize someone blatantly mocking you.
Hence, the 'Appeal to Ridicule Fallacy' (also known as: Appeal to Mockery) reference!

LOL!!! You're such dullard Arken!

Oh, and BTW, you're still a hypocrite
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Old 07-30-2003, 09:25 AM   #167
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LOL!!!

Hence, the 'Appeal to Ridicule Fallacy' (also known as: Appeal to Mockery) reference!

You're such dullard Arken!
Since I wasn't arguing with you, just making fun of you, where was the argument to make a fallacy?

By the way, I don't care what your answer is because whatever it is, it will be pretentious, arrogant, insulting and otherwise uninteresting and incondusive to debate so I won't bother reading it. Have fun.
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Since I wasn't arguing with you, just making fun of you, where was the argument to make a fallacy?
One doesn't have to argue in order to make a fallacious statement

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By the way, I don't care what your answer is because whatever it is, it will be pretentious, arrogant, insulting and otherwise uninteresting and incondusive to debate so I won't bother reading it. Have fun.
You see, case in point. This is what is known as an argumentum ad hominem. Which is, of course, yet another example of your continued hypocricy!

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Ok, guys lets be civil and not derail the thread with personal confrontations.
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[B]Originally posted by The SwampThing
You ended up answering your own question.
It´s pretty obvious to anyone with a few basic notions on combat operations, that the team going in is not the one who shoots and provides the diversion.


And how did they get there in the first place?! What I'm saying is that they have no way to get close enough to use flashbangs. It doesn't matter if the grenades are actually thrown by the team or by others, the problem is you can't get them in position in the first place!
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