Godless Dave

IMO the second possibility, that his advisors lied to him and he was stupid enough to believe them, is as bad or worse than him lying to us. The president is supposed to be intelligent enough to evaluate the credibility of the information given to him.

Bill

I read through the entire 47-page timeline assembled by the Dean campaign and, in my own humble opinion, those facts clearly point to Donald Rumsfeld as the main perpetrator of this fiasco. Rumsfeld even assembled his own personal intelligence crew when the CIA and DIA weren't giving him the results he wanted. It is apparently those yokels who are behind, in one way or another, most of the really bad intelligence that was used to manipulate Bush and the American people. If Bush wants to survive next year's election, he needs to dump Rumsfeld as quickly as he can.

Call Rumsfeld a "sacrificial lamb" if you wish, but the only way that Bush can preserve his own credibility is to perform just such a sacrifice.

== Bill

TollHouse

I was thinking the same thing - but won't even this action spell doom for Bush? Can any number of fall-guys make up for the fact that this President and the American people we're mislead into a freakin' war?

I think we've got him where we want him now, he's crying over 'revisionist history' which is never a good sign. His arguments and rants are similar to those of the creationist and the "America is a Christian Nation" knobnuts. Sure, he may have a strong following of the same mindless morons who love Dr. Dino, but I have more faith in the American population at large.

Jimmy Higgins

Holy cow manure!

Honest Mistake - 4059 = 16%

Deliberately misled the public - 21241 = 84%

If that stat got on the air... which it won't, of course. I'm astounded with the results. I thought it would be 50/50 or 60/40 in favor of a mistake.

Of course, I don't like the poll myself. It pretty much asks, Is Bush honest, or is he a god damned liar? There should be option 3 for "poor judgment".
The Poll itself

theyeti

This whole mess is getting funnier by the day.

White House Says CIA Approved Speech Claiming Iraq Sought Uranium

Yep, shift the blame to the CIA. It's not like the president has any responsibility for what he said.

But then there's this article, also posted today:

CIA tried to persuade British to drop Iraq uranium allegations

Now are they going to have us believe that the CIA warned the British about using this bogus evidence, but not the president of their own country? That's just not plausible.

Which brings us to this article, about a report aired yesterday...

White House Ignored CIA Over Iraq Uranium Claim-CBS

Interesting. I guess today's spin is to try to deflect the CBS report. Diamonds to doughnuts says that some unnamed CIA officials will back the CBS version of events.

And to keep up with the theme of this thread, some of you might enjoy this:

Bush had "faith-based" intelligence on Iraq: arms expert

Enjoy!

theyeti

Ron Garrett

For those of you whose massive brain tumors still have you imagining that George W. Bush is a man of truth, this site provides a place to quickly peruse what our Fuehrer and his inner circle is up to and saying. Bush Lies

Personally, I've learned two things:

1. They send Condoleeza Rice out because the Klansmen in the White House think having a black women lie for them about conquering brown people and stealing their oil is more convincing than having a white ex-Halliburton CEO lie for them. But in fact it's easy to tell Condy's lying cause her lips move.

and

2. Whenever Ari Fleischer stands in front of the White House Prostitute Corps and does his best Officer Barbrady saying, "Move along. There's nothing to see here."...get a pick and shovel and start looking for the bodies.

cheetah

I was just checking back to see the latest status on the poll results, to see if they were still so amazing, but the poll has changed! It now asks who you blame for the mistake in the SOTU. The results are a staggering 95% for Bush currently! however, it's true that you can vote multiple times. This must be a popular liberal website. I just can't be quite that hopeful about America as a whole yet!

EDIT: Whoops, never mind. They make it look like you are voting numerous times, but it's not counted. I'm sure there's still a way someone more sophisticated than me can hack into it or something, but at least I can have a little more confidence in that number!

Janaya

New QUESTION OF THE DAY

Whom do you blame for the mistake in the president's State of the Union address on Iraq?

As of 8 pm central time:

President Bush: 95% (13900 votes)

British intelligence: 1% (215 votes)

CIA: 4% (575 votes)


After seeing so many other "polls" overwhelmingly in favor of the Liar-in-Thief, this is just surreal. Maybe the tide is turning after all. Or maybe CNN and Wolf Blitzer are really stealth liberals.....Nah. I'm probably just reading too much into it. Somebody pinch me please.

Autonemesis

Does that also mean that if Tenet had said "Put this in the speech" it would have been in there, without question? I'm not too comfortable with the whole idea of "without question" in this context, Tanker Lady.

Jimmy Higgins

Since when did the buck stop at the CIA head? Isn't the ship the responsibility of the captain, not the head of the janitors?

So Tenet is taking the fall? Does Karl Rove have the same ring that Lord Helmet had in Spaceballs?

What I don't get is that the aluminum tubes that were said to be for nuclear weapons before the speech, was debunked before the speech. But Bush still said it in his speech. And we still know that was wrong!

What is going on in DC?