AndresDeLaHoz

So it's his nature. So he's required by his nature? So he ALWAYS judges and picks because it's his nature?

What the hell is this, Robo-God? A sophisticated evaluation program that picks those by it's side and tosses those against him? Is REQUIRED to??

Doesn't sound like genuine love, just judging nature.

Radorth

And the subject of the thread was?

And my answer was?

I thought we were supposed to give complete quotes in context here, or be called liars by Daggah.

Rad

Mageth

Doesn't make any difference what He was referring to - making blatant factual statements like God does not exist, when know about as much knowledge compared to the complexity of the universe, as an ant trying to understand the Theory of Relativity. Its absurb, and makes you look foolish.

Well, in a way you're right. God does exist. In fact, thousands, if not millions or even billions, of gods exist. These gods exist, however, only as concepts in the minds of believers.

In the absensce of any evidence supporting the existence of any god, in light of the fact that humans have made up all sorts of imaginary creatures, gods can be explained as merely concepts in the minds of humans, with no existence in reality. I can confidently say that peoples' concepts of god(s) don't exist in reality. It is not absurd to reach such a conclusion. God (as defined by you, in this case) does not exist.

As far as the "complexity of the universe" and the amount of knowledge I know about it, what I know is that the universe is natural, and exhibits natural laws, and events, and objects. There is no evidence of anything supernatural such as a god, or a spirit, or a soul, in the universe. There is no need to posit any supernatural explanation for anything in the universe. And if something is findable in the universe, then that something is natural, part of the universe.

As far as your particular definition of God (the xian god) goes, on this board I have seen many, many concepts of what that God is supposed to be like. For example, you, theophilus, and Sabine Grant all describe significantly different God concepts. If you look at the Abrahamic religions, you'll see Judaism, Xianity, and Islam, all describing different concepts of god based off the same OT myths. If you look at the Xian religion, you'll see, for example, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism, all describing different concepts of god based off the Xian bible. If you look at Protestantism, you'll see many different denominations, and some major divisions such as Unitarianism and Trinitarianism, describing different concepts of god. And there's Gnosticism as well.

Yet you expect me to believe in your particular concept of God, in spite of the fact that religion can't even agree on what that god is supposed to be. It seems like to me that, if god was real, she'd narrow down the field a bit if there was a particular way she wanted to be known and worshipped. The way things are, it seems that, if god exists, she doesn't particular care about how she's known or worshipped.

You claim that your particular concept of god is the one true god. Well, so do adherents of all these other religions, branches and sects. I claim that they are all merely concepts, and none of them have existence in reality. For me to consider any of these concepts to be exitent in reality, I'll need evidence. I have none, and have been presented with none; all I've been presented with are concepts or examples of things used to support someone's particular concept of god (or, occasionally, gods in general). All of the things I've been presented with have alternative natural explanations that are without fail superior explanations to the supernatural explanations. There is no reason to compel me to believe in the existence of any gods.

Am I saying for a fact God exists all the time? No, i believe for a fact that God exists, I don't know so, because I'm not arrogant enough to believe I know every possibility there is in the universe.

Well, good for you. However, until there is evidence of the existence of any of the countless concepts of god which humans have dreamed up, and continue to dream up, the default rational position to hold is that gods do not exist. The human psyche is an adequate explanation for the existence of god concepts such as yours.

And Mageth, Humans didn't evolve ever. Sorry, macroevolution isn't true. Scientists can't prove it, and the evidence isn't compelling enough, so evolution isn't true.

Still interpreting the Genesis myth as history, I see. Well, Genesis is a myth, Magus. Darwin and science in general has clearly and conclusively proven that.

If you are incapable of coming to the proper, rational conclusion about something as obvious and straightforward as evolution, and are incapable of distinguishing myth from history, why would I trust any conclusion you reach about something as cosmically important as the existence of God?

Magus55

Because everyone that will be in Heaven now ( well to be technically correct, its not Heaven - its New Jerusalem - which will be on Earth), is saved by Christ - they already experienced a life of sin and pain, and if they turn from that because they are remorseful to God for disobeying Him, why would they do it again when they know what the result will be?

And hypothetically speaking, if someone did attempt to do what Lucifer did again, I'd imagine they'd be thrown out, and cast in to Hell. Although, God would know if anyone would do this and I'm doubting anyone who would consider it, would turn their life from sin and be in Heaven in the first place.

Biff the unclean

Oh yeah, George Orwell. That guy was a great writer, very scary. I haven't read anything of his since high school, I should pick up a copy.

winstonjen

And without lust, most people would not have sex, and since your god wants us to 'go forth and populate the earth', lust isn't always a bad thing.

//riot of disorder::

QUOTE]God is a god of love, but He is also a God of justice and righteousness. He is required by his nature to judge and punish sinners. If you aren't for Him, you are against Him - an enemy of God. He offered you a way to escape sin, you reject it. You turned down God's love, so now He must judge you.[/QUOTE]

If stupidity were radiation, I would've died just now.

winstonjen

The difference between 'running away from battle' and accepting a general's order to retreat? Looks like your faith isn't going to be tested anymore. Lucky you.