Lobstrosity

Look, even Perhaps admits that we can make good, logical arguments until we're red in the face and he'll still continue to bash his head against the wall. Is it really worth trying to argue with someone who has made up his mind beforehand not to read a single word you write?

Free Thinkr

LOL.. I hope you're kidding here, but sadly, I don't think you are. Can I prove coincidence exists? I sure can! Let us stay with my straving child example:

You say that prayer saved your friend's mother.

I say that the death of innocent children did.

Now, if we can agree that these two are not both the cause of the woman's salvation, one must be a coincidence (actually, both are ).

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P.S. Could just be that god that you say doesn't exist, eh? After all, for the "open"(haha) minded person and free "thinker"(haha), that should be an always "open" possibility to "think" about...longer than just a few moments.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm going to assume english is your second language from here on out. If you're trying to say that I have a single concept of god, and that I don't believe it exists for some reason, you are wrong. I don't believe any god exists because I have seen no evidence to substantiate its existence.

Silent Dave

Perhaps you simply need to learn basic communication and argumentative skills. Then, when discussing your opponents' arguments, you would have the distinct advantage of knowing what they're talking about.


Dave

Silent Dave

Actually, my take on it is more like this:

No you didn't!
Yes I did!
No you didn't!
Yes I did!
Now look, this isn't argument.
Yes it is!
No it's not, it's just contradiction!
No it isn't!
Yes it is!
No it isn't!
Look, you just contradicted me!
No I didn't!
Yes you did!
Look, if I argue with you, I must necessarily take up a contrary position!
Yes, but an argument isn't just contradiction. It's a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition! What you're doing is just the automatic gainsay of anything the other person says!
*long pause*
No it isn't!
Yes it--
*ding* Thank you. Good morning.


Dave

diana

Oh yeah? Well I was in a debilitating car accident and I cursed God. That's right. I said, "God, if you were worth beans, you'd have prevented the accident in the first place. Go frick yourself." And you know what happened? I recovered anyway. Yup. That's right.

What does that prove? About as much as Perhaps' testimony, IMO. That is, it doesn't prove squat.

I find it interesting that no one has mentioned that people have been known to effect some pretty incredible changes in their own bodies and health just be believing they were getting better. Many of those things that ail us are psychosomatic, so it only makes sense that the cure must be, as well.

To all...

Just a general comment. I know you're all having fun and/or trying to communicate, but I've seen a bit of namecalling going on here. As much as I'd love to whisk this thread off to the dungeon, it is still legitimate fodder for this forum. Keep your posts off the man and on topic.

If you simply must insult someone, take the time to craft that insult so that it is inarguably well-deserved, yet so witty and subtle that I'm too enthralled by your artistry to call you on it.

Thank you.

d

theIPU

Okay...Wouldn't you have to have been everywhere at all times to know *you have to be everywhere at all times in order to know the answer*

Refractor

We also have seen zero evidence of mindless natural processes causing complex universes to pop into existence out of nothing, yet this doesn't deter you and most atheist from believing it nonetheless. So it appears that you have some ideological double standards at work.

Secondly, the infamous claim that there is "no evidence for god" is somewhat empty in the fact that you (as well as most atheists) fail to define what this evidence should look like if a god did exist. If you are so certain that no such evidence for god exists, certainly you are quite aware of what the evidence *would* look like if it *did* exist, or else you wouldn't be so confident that you haven't already seen it.

So I ask you..... if a creator god did exist, what do you predict the evidence *would* be?

Refractor

Muad'Dib

If the Invisible Pink Unicorn did exist, what would you predict that the evidence would be?

I'm not being flippant; how you answer that question will govern people's replies to yours.

Refractor

First of all, what is the invisible pink unicorn supposed to be? Why do you define it as invisible? Why do you define it as PINK? The very concept itself is a contradiction in terms since a unicorn is defined as a one-horned, physical animal. There can be no such thing as an "animal" that is both physical and invisible at the same time. So the notion of IPC is inherently flawed by virtue of it's own definitions.

Sorry, try again, and this time try actually answering my question instead of distracting from it with rhetorical concepts (IPCs) that you don't actually believe in and have no intentions of seriously arguing for.

Refractor

Muad'Dib

It wasn't intended to be a distraction. It gave me an idea of what sort of response you are looking for to your own question.

What properties do you claim that a "creator god" has or must have? We need to make sure they're internally consistent, after all.