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EstherRose · 07-18-2003, 04:58 PM

There's nothing wrong with sex. I am just making an assumption based on a verse which states that

Matthew 22
30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

mark9950 · 07-18-2003, 05:13 PM

sexual intercourse(nowadays).

Those ancint people were so disrespectful to women at that time,and women were opressed to the max(like in many middle eastern countries).

Women were disrespected and treated like or worst than those muslim women that live in many muslim countries(no disrespect to muslims).

Rational BAC · 07-18-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EstherRose
There's nothing wrong with sex. I am just making an assumption based on a verse which states that

Matthew 22
30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Esther--

That doesn't mean much to me. There may not be marriage in heaven, (assuming that the primary reason for marriage is the procreation of children). So there won't be any pregnancies or childbearing in heaven.

But sex? Why not? Heaven would not be heaven without beacoup de sex. And I think that is what will be there.

I think that if sex had meant to be non-existant by that passage, it would have been much more specific about the whole thing.

Give us sex-lovers an inch and we'll take a mile you know.

Rational BAC · 07-18-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EstherRose
There's nothing wrong with sex. I am just making an assumption based on a verse which states that

Matthew 22
30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Esther--

That doesn't mean much to me. There may not be marriage in heaven, (assuming that the primary reason for marriage is the procreation of children). So there won't be any pregnancies or childbearing in heaven.

But sex? Why not? Heaven would not be heaven without beacoup de sex. And I think that is what will be there. Sex without fear of pregnancy or disease.

I think that if sex had meant to be non-existant by that passage, it would have been much more specific about the whole thing.

Give us sex-lovers an inch and we'll take a mile you know.

EstherRose · 07-18-2003, 06:57 PM

Did any of you read the part where I said this was just my personal opinion?

I'm well aware that sex lovers are given an inch and claim a mile (a joke, meant with love)

Quote:

Those ancint people were so disrespectful to women at that time,and women were opressed to the max(like in many middle eastern countries).

Women were disrespected and treated like or worst than those muslim women that live in many muslim countries(no disrespect to muslims).

mark9950 you really are funny. No disrespect meant to muslims despite your harsh comments yet you always mean all the disrespect in the world towards Christians.

Opera Nut · 07-18-2003, 07:20 PM

Biff , you are in luck.

Greater minds than mine have contemplated that very question--back in the 19th century. I just posted this over in the Christians & Heaven thread:

From Letters From the Earth, by Mark Twain.

A letter from Satan:
QUOTE:

He has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights, the one ecstacy that stands first and foremost in the heart of every individual of his race -- and of ours -- sexual intercourse!

It is as if a lost and perishing person in a roasting desert should be told by a rescuer he might choose and have all longed-for things but one and he should elect to leave out water!

His heaven is like himself:Strange, interesting, astonishing, grotesque. I give you my word, it has not a single feature in it that he actually values. It consists -- utterly and entirely -- of diversions which he cares next to nothing about, here in the earth, yet is quite sure he will like in heaven.

Isn't it curious? Isn't it interesting? You must not think I am exaggerating, for it is not so. I will give you details.

Most men do not sing, most men cannot sign, most men will not stay where others are singing if it be continued more than two hours. Note that.

Only about two men in a hundred can play upon a musical instrument, and not four in a hundred have any wish to learn how. Set that down.

Many men pray, not many of them like to do it. A few pray long, the others make a short cut.

More men go to church than want to.

To 49 men in 50 the Sabbath Day is a dreary, dreary bore.

Of all the men in a chuch on a Sunday, 2/3rds are tired when the service is half over, and the rest before it is finished.

The gladdest moment for all of them is when the preacher uplifts his hands for the benediction. You can hear the soft rustle of relief that sweeps the house, and you recognize that it is eloquent with gratitude.

All nations look down upon all other nations.

All nations dislike all other nations.

All white nations despise all colored nations, of whatever hue, and oppress them when they can.

White men will not associate with "niggers," [sic] nor marry them.

They will not allow them in their schools and churches.

All the world hates the Jew, and will not endure him except when he is rich.

I ask you to note all those particulars.

Further. All sane people detest noise.

All people, sane or insane, like to have variety in their life. Monotony quickly wearies them.

Every man, according to the mental equipment that has fallen to his share, exercises his intellect constantly, ceaselessly, and this exercise makes up a vast and valued and essential part of his life.

The lowest intellect, like the highest, possesses a skill of some kind and takes a keen pleasure in testing it, proving it, perfecting it.

The urchin who is his comrade's superior in games is as diligent and as enthusiastic in his practice as are the sculptor, the painter, the pianist, the mathematician and the rest. Not one of them could be happy if his talent were put under an interdict.

Now then, you have the facts. you know what the human race enjoys and what it doesn't enjoy. It has invented a heaven out of its own head, all by itself:guess what it is like! In 1500 eternities you couldn't do it. The ablest mind known to you or me in fifth million aeons couldn't do it. Very well, I will tell you about it.

1. First of all, I recall to your attention the extraordinary fact with which I began. To wit, that the human being, like the immortals, naturally places sexual intercourse far and away above all other joys -- yet he has left it out of his heaven! The very thought of it excites him; opportunity sets him wild; in this state he will risk life, reputation, everything -- even his queer heaven itself --- to make good that opportunity and ride it to the overwhelming climax. From youth to middle age all men and all women prize copulation above all other pleasures combined, yet it is actually as I have said: It is not in their heaven; prayer takes its place.

...
2. In man's heaven everybody sings! The man who did not sing on earth sings there; the man who could not sing on earth is able to do it there. This universal singing is not casual, not occasional and not relieved by intervals of quiet; it goes on, all day long, and every day, during a stretch of twelve hours. And everybody stays; whereas in the earth the place would be empty in two hours. The singing is of hymns alone. Nay, it is of one hyman alone. The words are always the same, in number they are only about a dozen, there is no rhyme, there is no poetry: "Hosannah, hosannah, hosannah, Lord God of Sabaoth, 'rah, 'rah, 'rah! siss!--boom!......a-a-ahh!"

3. Meantime every person is playing on a harp -- those millions and millions!--whereas not more than twenty in the thousand of them could play an instrument in the earth, or every watned to.

Consider the deafening hurricane of sound--millions and millions of voices screaming at once and milions and millions of harps gritting their teeth at the same time! I ask yoU: is it hideous, is it odious, is it horrible??

Consider further: It is a praise service; a service of compliment, of flattery, of adulation! Do you ask who it is that is willing to endure this strange compliment, this insane compliment; and who not noly endures it but likes it, enjoys it, requires it, COMMANDS IT?

Hold your breath!

It is God! This race's God, I mean. He sits on his throne, alttended by his four and twenty elders and some other dignitaries pertaining to his court, and looks out over his miles and miels of tempestuous worshipers, and smiles, and purrs and nods his satisfaction northward, eastward, southward; as quaint and naive a spectacle as has been yet imagined in this universe, I take it.

It is easy to see that the inventor of the heavens did not originate the idea but copied it from the show ceremonies of some sorry little sovereign State up in the back settlements of the Orient somewhere.
[unquote]

:notworthy

Magus55 · 07-18-2003, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rational BAC
Esther--

That doesn't mean much to me. There may not be marriage in heaven, (assuming that the primary reason for marriage is the procreation of children). So there won't be any pregnancies or childbearing in heaven.

But sex? Why not? Heaven would not be heaven without beacoup de sex. And I think that is what will be there.

I think that if sex had meant to be non-existant by that passage, it would have been much more specific about the whole thing.

Give us sex-lovers an inch and we'll take a mile you know.

God said there is no marriage, and He also said its a sin to have sex outside of the marriage bond. So if we aren't married in Heaven, how could sex be allowed since its a sin if you're not married?

mark9950 · 07-18-2003, 09:52 PM

Quote:

God said there is no marriage, and He also said its a sin to have sex outside of the marriage bond.

a marriage bond?

Getting married in front of a priest?

Getting marriage in court with a marriage license?

How do we even know that this God even condones a drunkard that will abuse his wife as a condoned marriage by this God.

If this God does not condone and accept a drunkard that will abuse his wife,he is commiting adultry without anyone even knowing it.So is he cheating if he does not know it?

Doctor X · 07-18-2003, 09:59 PM

Yeah . . . but . . . like . . . blow-jobs would be fine . . . right?

I mean . . . it is not sex . . . depending on what is is. . . . .

Seriously, one of the funniest threads I have ever read. Reminds me of a Bless Me Father episode:

Protestant Minister: So, father, you say the bodies will be resurrected. So, what happens if a protestant eats a catholic?

--J.D.

Biff the unclean · 07-18-2003, 11:58 PM

Ahh Opera that was the very quote that I was going to spare her. I do love the part about singing

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Traditionally angels do not have gender. This section of Mark means that your new magic body will be neither male nor female. Marriage would be a non sequitur in that case.

Heaven just sounds better and better (sarcasm). I get enough junk E mails now offering potions to increase size. I can only imagine what my post rapture Outlook Express in-box will look like

07-18-2003, 05:13 PM	#142
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Marriage has nothing to do with sexual intercourse(nowadays). Those ancint people were so disrespectful to women at that time,and women were opressed to the max(like in many middle eastern countries). Women were disrespected and treated like or worst than those muslim women that live in many muslim countries(no disrespect to muslims).

07-18-2003, 07:20 PM	#146
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Letters from the Earth -- as told by Satan Biff , you are in luck. Greater minds than mine have contemplated that very question--back in the 19th century. I just posted this over in the Christians & Heaven thread: From Letters From the Earth, by Mark Twain. A letter from Satan: QUOTE: He has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights, the one ecstacy that stands first and foremost in the heart of every individual of his race -- and of ours -- sexual intercourse! It is as if a lost and perishing person in a roasting desert should be told by a rescuer he might choose and have all longed-for things but one and he should elect to leave out water! His heaven is like himself:Strange, interesting, astonishing, grotesque. I give you my word, it has not a single feature in it that he actually values. It consists -- utterly and entirely -- of diversions which he cares next to nothing about, here in the earth, yet is quite sure he will like in heaven. Isn't it curious? Isn't it interesting? You must not think I am exaggerating, for it is not so. I will give you details. Most men do not sing, most men cannot sign, most men will not stay where others are singing if it be continued more than two hours. Note that. Only about two men in a hundred can play upon a musical instrument, and not four in a hundred have any wish to learn how. Set that down. Many men pray, not many of them like to do it. A few pray long, the others make a short cut. More men go to church than want to. To 49 men in 50 the Sabbath Day is a dreary, dreary bore. Of all the men in a chuch on a Sunday, 2/3rds are tired when the service is half over, and the rest before it is finished. The gladdest moment for all of them is when the preacher uplifts his hands for the benediction. You can hear the soft rustle of relief that sweeps the house, and you recognize that it is eloquent with gratitude. All nations look down upon all other nations. All nations dislike all other nations. All white nations despise all colored nations, of whatever hue, and oppress them when they can. White men will not associate with "niggers," [sic] nor marry them. They will not allow them in their schools and churches. All the world hates the Jew, and will not endure him except when he is rich. I ask you to note all those particulars. Further. All sane people detest noise. All people, sane or insane, like to have variety in their life. Monotony quickly wearies them. Every man, according to the mental equipment that has fallen to his share, exercises his intellect constantly, ceaselessly, and this exercise makes up a vast and valued and essential part of his life. The lowest intellect, like the highest, possesses a skill of some kind and takes a keen pleasure in testing it, proving it, perfecting it. The urchin who is his comrade's superior in games is as diligent and as enthusiastic in his practice as are the sculptor, the painter, the pianist, the mathematician and the rest. Not one of them could be happy if his talent were put under an interdict. Now then, you have the facts. you know what the human race enjoys and what it doesn't enjoy. It has invented a heaven out of its own head, all by itself:guess what it is like! In 1500 eternities you couldn't do it. The ablest mind known to you or me in fifth million aeons couldn't do it. Very well, I will tell you about it. 1. First of all, I recall to your attention the extraordinary fact with which I began. To wit, that the human being, like the immortals, naturally places sexual intercourse far and away above all other joys -- yet he has left it out of his heaven! The very thought of it excites him; opportunity sets him wild; in this state he will risk life, reputation, everything -- even his queer heaven itself --- to make good that opportunity and ride it to the overwhelming climax. From youth to middle age all men and all women prize copulation above all other pleasures combined, yet it is actually as I have said: It is not in their heaven; prayer takes its place. ... 2. In man's heaven everybody sings! The man who did not sing on earth sings there; the man who could not sing on earth is able to do it there. This universal singing is not casual, not occasional and not relieved by intervals of quiet; it goes on, all day long, and every day, during a stretch of twelve hours. And everybody stays; whereas in the earth the place would be empty in two hours. The singing is of hymns alone. Nay, it is of one hyman alone. The words are always the same, in number they are only about a dozen, there is no rhyme, there is no poetry: "Hosannah, hosannah, hosannah, Lord God of Sabaoth, 'rah, 'rah, 'rah! siss!--boom!......a-a-ahh!" 3. Meantime every person is playing on a harp -- those millions and millions!--whereas not more than twenty in the thousand of them could play an instrument in the earth, or every watned to. Consider the deafening hurricane of sound--millions and millions of voices screaming at once and milions and millions of harps gritting their teeth at the same time! I ask yoU: is it hideous, is it odious, is it horrible?? Consider further: It is a praise service; a service of compliment, of flattery, of adulation! Do you ask who it is that is willing to endure this strange compliment, this insane compliment; and who not noly endures it but likes it, enjoys it, requires it, COMMANDS IT? Hold your breath! It is God! This race's God, I mean. He sits on his throne, alttended by his four and twenty elders and some other dignitaries pertaining to his court, and looks out over his miles and miels of tempestuous worshipers, and smiles, and purrs and nods his satisfaction northward, eastward, southward; as quaint and naive a spectacle as has been yet imagined in this universe, I take it. It is easy to see that the inventor of the heavens did not originate the idea but copied it from the show ceremonies of some sorry little sovereign State up in the back settlements of the Orient somewhere. [unquote] :notworthy

07-18-2003, 11:58 PM	#150
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Much ado about nothing Ahh Opera that was the very quote that I was going to spare her. I do love the part about singing Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Traditionally angels do not have gender. This section of Mark means that your new magic body will be neither male nor female. Marriage would be a non sequitur in that case. Heaven just sounds better and better (sarcasm). I get enough junk E mails now offering potions to increase size. I can only imagine what my post rapture Outlook Express in-box will look like

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07-18-2003, 04:58 PM	#141
EstherRose Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 183	There's nothing wrong with sex. I am just making an assumption based on a verse which states that Matthew 22 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

07-18-2003, 09:59 PM	#149
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Yeah . . . but . . . like . . . blow-jobs would be fine . . . right? I mean . . . it is not sex . . . depending on what is is. . . . . Seriously, one of the funniest threads I have ever read. Reminds me of a Bless Me Father episode: Protestant Minister: So, father, you say the bodies will be resurrected. So, what happens if a protestant eats a catholic? --J.D.

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