beth

I never did, either, but I did revere the cross. I like the Darwin fish, I always have, but I do find the darwin fish humping the Jesus fish a little tasteless and somewhat offensive. It seems to be a tool for instigating.

Walross

Originally posted by fatherphil:

Indeed, just as the christians defaced the Mother Goddess fish symbol by co-opting it for themselves .

Goliath

Badfish,

Irrelevant! Jerry Falwell is just as much of a xian as you are, you are just as much of a xian as my stepfather is, my stepfather is just as much of a xian as Torquemada was, Torquemada was just as much of a xian as Hitler was, Hitler was just as much of a xian as my mother is, and my mother is just as much of a xian as Cardinal Law is: NO MORE, NO LESS.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Yellum Notnef

I posted a link to that exact site the first time fatherphil brought up the Jesus fish.
He and the other christians don't seem to be concerned or interested at all with the history of that symbol.

Starboy

Why would Christians be concerned. Such a history is not part of Christian "truth" (reality).

Starboy

fatherphil

and the cross has a history of being a tool of execution. what does it matter to the "reality" of what a symbol means today?

Treacle Worshipper

It mattered a lot to me when I was Xn. I stopped wearing a cross because it was just so... icky... walking round wearing a torture instrument all the time.

(I started wearing a fish, but I claim ignorance of its origins; back then I was only aware of the ICTHUS idea.)

TW

Yellum Notnef

The cross has a MUCH older history than that of a symbol for a tool of execution or Christian salvation.

It means nothing to you since you live in a vacuum of fantasy.
But to me it means one more piece of evidence thrown on an already HUGE pile proving your religion is in no way unique or a "reality".

Starboy

fatherphil, were we talking about the cross? I thought it was the fish.

Starboy

wildernesse

I'm not concerned with the history of that symbol, because I don't see it as a symbol of Christianity. It's a car decoration to me--and always has been, I was raised to show my faith through my actions, and not on the basis of some sort of identity badge. I have a hard time with the commericalization of Christianity, and car-stickys are a constant reminder of this.

But you are wrong that I'm not interested in the history of the "Jesus" fish--I find it very interesting. I'm not surprised that modern and ancient Christianity has adopted a symbol for their own purpose, or that stories have accumulated around that symbol that ignore/deny/alternately explain the adoption--this is what humans do.

--tibac