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Old 08-15-2003, 06:47 PM   #21
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Q: What can cause the ceath of xianity?

A: If we found a cure to the human condition known as "logically challenged".

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Old 08-15-2003, 09:22 PM   #22
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It's happening already. People are realizing that the churches do not want to change with the times, so they get mad and leave. The more restrictive the faith is, the more people get kicked out/disgusted/shunned, and leave.

The same fights recur over and over with a different group of people as the subject. In the Episcopal Church, in the 70s it was women ministers. Now it's gay ministers. Of course this happens in the greater society as well. I don't think the Pope thinks females have a soul yet.

Christianity recycles the same old tired illogic and doesn't answer our questions. A lot of people in America see religion as just irrelevant.
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Old 08-15-2003, 09:57 PM   #23
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Establish the Christian church. Works in the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands, worked in France, Germany, Italy.

Pity it doesn't seem to be so effective on Islam.
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Well, you don't see Baal worshippers around anymore for instance.
Actually you do, Baalism became YHWHism . . . which . . . sort of . . . became the Big Daddy we all know and loath.

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Old 08-16-2003, 12:32 AM   #25
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I think the only thing that can kill Christianity is another God revealing himself. Zeus or sth.
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Old 08-16-2003, 04:43 AM   #26
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Education. Education. Like others have pointed out -- it's very difficult to see how someone who learns the rubric of logic, rational thought and how to construct and deconstruct arguments can continue to believe in religion/God.

Well, you would think ... occasionally I meet believers who appear to have built a brick wall around whatever part of their mind tells them God exists ...
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:00 PM   #27
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Personally, I'm a Christian,,,though I'm rather liberal and logical about things,,,

I post on another message board where ya see a lot of really narrow-minded Christians,,,

You wanna know my opinion? Let the fundies keep getting more fundy-ish and exclusivistic and fighting against every potential change that they see,,,and eventually most people will either get kicked out of the fundy churches or simply quit going when they see enough things that challenge their views,,,eventually there won't be enough people left to perpetuate the "correct-belief" view of religion that a given church or denomination holds.

Personally I think there will always be Christians (Or Jews, Muslims, or Bhuddists etc.) but the ones who help their religions in the long-term, and keep them alive and vital will likely be the logical ones who are willing to adapt in an ever-changing universe and to accept others that their religion defines as non-believers. Christians have to adapt to changes in their environment instead of turning inward and becoming narcissistic. Some of us have done that,,,shoot, one of my best friends is a Muslim, and a couple years ago I dated a Satanist,,,

You'd be amazed how many "Christians" get rather upset about that,,,hehehe.

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Old 08-16-2003, 12:30 PM   #28
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When Christianity was new, 30% of the population of Rome could read and write (including slaves).

When Christianity had ruled 1000 years, 3% of the population could read and write (not including slaves)

The other important thing to achiece is real secularization, i.e. no more covert funding for religious institutions with tax money paid by all citizens.

One day, I am sure, Christians will be today's equivalent of the members of the Flat Earth society.
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Old 08-16-2003, 05:42 PM   #29
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Christianity will never die. It has too much going for it.

A wonderful story. God become man just to see what it feels like. And to develop a certain empathy for the human condition.

The Old Testament God was essentially an egomaniac turd. I think He learned something from coming down to Earth.

God learned from Jesus. We learned from Jesus.

Of course you can say that an omniscient God knows all and does not need to learn anything at all. --------But I don't think there is such a thing as an omniscient God. God is learning just as we are learning.

Take away the idea that God knows the future and so many of the atheist arguments about free will just disappear.

Why is it necessary that God should know the future?

Reading the Bible it is very obvious that God is still learning. Just as we are.
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Reading the Bible it is very obvious that God is still learning. Just as we are.
Wow,,,now THERE'S a profound statement.

Good point hehehe.

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