Biff the unclean

He'll explain that later, but first...

Goliath

Biff the Unclean,

Agreed. That is one reason why the analogy fails.

Since I'm sick and tired of repeating myself over and over and over and over and over and over again in this thread, I'll bring in something new--specifically another reason why the analogy fails: The bible is supposed to be a rulebook (and, of course, fails miserably), whereas Buffy is not.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Mediancat,

Please either point out where I made that claim, or retract your accusation.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Amaranth,

The fans exist in reality. Again - The fans exist in reality. For the last time - the fans exist in REALITY.

Sincerely,

Goliath

wade-w

I split it into another thread. I am embarassed to say I had planned to answer you, but then forgot about it. I don't have the time to give it the attention it deserves tonight, but I'll get back to it tomorrow.

Biff the unclean

(B)Of course the writers aren't omnipotent.

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Agreed. That is one reason why the analogy fails.

But the bible's writers aren't omnipotent either, nor do they claim to be. Omnipotence is one of the magic powers that the lead character has. The Buffy show is filled with characters that have superpowers. None of which the writers claim to posses anymore that the bibles writers claim to posses them.
I don't see what you are saying is different.

The bible is supposed to be a rulebook (and, of course, fails miserably), whereas Buffy is not.
Now I'm even more lost? What does that have to do with anything?
I've been watching Sea Hunt re-runs from the 50's; the show is filled to the brim with rules. Everything from proper ethical (how to be a manly man) behavior to how fast you should come to the surface after a 60 foot dive. It does not remove it from the fiction category.

Mediancat, Please either point out where I made that claim, or retract your accusation.
I don't think you can fault Mediancat, you left me with the same impression. Obviously we are mistaken, please straighten us out.

The fans exist in reality. Again …
And……? The Buffy fans are real people who will twist what is said on the show so that it will not seem contradictory to them. The Bible fans, as we've seen again and again do the exact same thing.
If you are seeing a difference in the fans behavior then by all means point it out to us.

Mediancat

A logical chain.

You ask if Buffy's creators can solve the Riemann hypothesis when it comes to their fictional universe.

I say they can; you ask for the details. I say they obviously can't provide THAT, and you say therefore they're not omnipotent when it comes to the Buffyverse.

But providing a solution to the Riemann hypothesis at the snap of a finger requires REAL-WORLD omnipotence.

Therefore you are requiring the Buffy creators to be real-world omnipotent, not merely Buffyverse-omnipotent.

Therefore you are saying that if they're not actually omnipotent, they can't claim to be omnipotent when it comes to their fictional world.

And they are two entirely different things.

Let me spell it out for you one more time: The Buffy creators can do whatever the hell they want to in the context of their universe. Solve the Riemann hypothesis, blow up the world, and so on. THIS IS OMNIPOTENCE. They are NOT then required to demonstrate the Riemann hypothesis solution in excruciating detail, or to actually blow up the sun.

Or is that you see "omnipotent" as an incomparable, like unique or perfect?

My "accusation," and I use that term only because you did because I certainly intended nothing pejorative, stands.

Rob aka Mediancat

Amaranth

That was real intelligent. Nice way to skip around the fact that you told someone to do something in fiction, and to do so without "making things up." Don't stick to the point or be relevent to the discussion - Take it out of context, so you look less foolish. Applause again for Mr. Inflatable Ego, please.

And your point is still utterly broken. The idea behind the analogy is to show the similarity between fanatics of two very different works of fiction defending the inconsistancies of their fictions. I think your problem here is that you don't really grasp the word analogy.

a·nal·o·gy
n.
pl. a·nal·o·gies

1.
a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

Read and learn. Please.

Amaranth

Goliath

Mediancat,

Incorrect. I only concluded at this point that the writers were not omnipotent.

While this certainly requires more mathematical ability than I have, I'm not convinced that omnipotence is required.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Biff the Unclean,

But the god who allegedly wrote the bible via the human writers is (allegedly) omnipotent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the characters in Buffy are omnipotent, and we have established that the writers aren't omnipotent either. Thus we have a difference between the bible and the show.

It's yet another difference between the bible and Buffy.

And, since this brings things to the real world, I can use the fact that the writers aren't omnipotent (in the real world) to point out one place where the analogy fails.

Sincerely,

Goliath