Nowhere357

Torture and pain and misery exists or is. Murder and rape and destruction. Hate (!) and bigotry and deceit and fear and starvation and I think you get the idea.

Is that love also?

Darth Dane

OK, so you're not using kingdom in any sense of the word, then. Fair 'nuf.

Kingdom could be equated to treasure chest couldn't it?

I think I mis-stated something.

Love is the joy for everything and anything that exist. Everything is an expression of Love, and so the chief is an expression of Love but a distorted expression. But the source of the expression is Love.

Torture and pain and misery exists or is. Murder and rape and destruction. Hate (!) and bigotry and deceit and fear and starvation and I think you get the idea.

Is that love also?

It is distorted expressions. Lets take the inquisition that tortured people. Now the torture is a distortion, as the priests did for Love of God and themselves(it was good to convert people, higher rankings in heaven)) It wasn't Love for the torturee, but because we distort Love and emphasise some parts over others, namely God and themselves over the pain of the individual, we see "hate" and so on.

Love doesn't hurt, and so if it hurts one and benefits another, it is a distortion of Love.





DD - Love & Laughter

Nowhere357

Well, those things hurt, so they're not love, yet those things exist, so love is not the joy for "everything and anything that exist".

I love you, man, but you need to work on this theory some more.

The strange thing is, I think I know what you're trying to say. This ideal abstract love is a transcendental awareness of our connection to the entire universe. It's a source of inner strength, it guides our actions, it gives purpose to life.

Have you studied zen taoism and Buddhism? If not, I highly recommend it. I think they would help you understand this better than the Bible is able to do. The Eastern view sees the spiritual easier than the western view, which focuses on dogma and societal laws. Yin/yang.

Darth Dane

Well, those things hurt, so they're not love, yet those things exist, so love is not the joy for "everything and anything that exist".

It is not Love for those who deprevied of Love, but it doesn't turn to hate per se. Just because you are farther from teh sun doesn't change the fact that it shines on you, you just don't feel so warm anymore. You may say that it is not the sun, but a black hole, but that is a subjective view because you are on the upsetted balance.
The funny thing about black holes is of course it sucks all light, where does it go?


I love you, man, but you need to work on this theory some more.

I love you too.

The strange thing is, I think I know what you're trying to say. This ideal abstract love is a transcendental awareness of our connection to the entire universe. It's a source of inner strength, it guides our actions, it gives purpose to life.

Love is Life
Hate is death
And so when we leave our physical body we are given a new life, because Love is Life, when we have Life we have Love, as long as we have Love we live.

Have you studied zen taoism and Buddhism? If not, I highly recommend it. I think they would help you understand this better than the Bible is able to do. The Eastern view sees the spiritual easier than the western view, which focuses on dogma and societal laws. Yin/yang.

I've spent 10 months in India studying Hinduism, Tantra, buddhism, zen, sufism, christian mystics, tree of Life from the talmud and other things.





DD - Love & Laughter

Nowhere357

Then perhaps you have reached such a high level of enlightenment that you have trouble communicating with the rest of us. Because in order to understand you, I have to put your ideas through so many interpretive filters, that really I can only guess at what you mean.

Sorry.

Edited to add: Say, maybe you should study some logic and science and critical thinking skills. That could help.

Darth Dane

Then perhaps you have reached such a high level of enlightenment that you have trouble communicating with the rest of us. Because in order to understand you, I have to put your ideas through so many interpretive filters, that really I can only guess at what you mean.

LOL, I know, this communicating thing, that is why I talk to you guys, to help formulate in terms that are not so obscure like "God is the un-movable mover"

Love is so much esier isn't it?

As you may have noticed I am a sucker for Love, with your filters employed

Maybe now you will understand this

Freedom is in the Heart, the choice in the Mind
To understand, rest in the Mind and move in the Heart

Love is key.


Sorry.

Don't be, others have mentioned this.

Edited to add: Say, maybe you should study some logic and science and critical thinking skills. That could help.


Through you I study.

But the "problem" is that, even a seemingly simple sentence like: Love your neighbor as you Love yourself, is filled with many layers of interpretation, in my eyes, and so we can only guess at what the author meant with the sentence.

I just try to see all teh interpretations that deal with Love(mostly) as Love is the key, at least to me.






DD - Love & Laughter

Darth Dane

I am not saying of course that you didn't understand it before, I am saying that it holds many levels of understanding, and depending on who you are and which filters you employ, you will see different things.

If you only use a christian filter you will "only" see a christian understanding or lack thereof.




DD - Love & Laughter

Nowhere357

If only you could put great ideas like this into communication formats that might survive in the other fora, because this deserves more exposure then just "elsewhere". Imo.