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Old 05-16-2002, 06:19 PM   #191
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That's precisely what we've been trying to do! Why can't you guys come up with a decent answer?
If you would just accept the opinion of the 2 billion people that KNOW Him, you would stop asking. Is it more likely you are right or the 2 billion?
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Old 05-16-2002, 06:21 PM   #192
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I am not sure of the whole point of pain, but I have seen it bring someone to humble themselves before the Lord. Letting down one's pride and realizing your own insufficiencies is a critical component in knowing and loving God.</strong>
I don't see the payoff here. Many, many people suffer and die without transforming from hell-bound unbelievers into humble Christians. Dare I say that the number of people who are benefited by pain in this manner is very, very small. Is the sacrifice really worth it?

Doesn't seem like it to me.
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Old 05-16-2002, 06:23 PM   #193
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The closer you are to pure evil, the closer you are to God? Doesn't this sort of indicate that God might be pure evil?
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If you would just accept the opinion of the 2 billion people that KNOW Him, you would stop asking. Is it more likely you are right or the 2 billion?</strong>
What makes their opinion authoritative? If God really wanted to decieve 2 billion people into thinking he was a nice guy, it would be well within his power, no?
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<strong>If you do, please put the free will from god in context, the same way expect freedom of speech and expression; meaning without fear of repercussions. </strong>
To predict the Christian response: damnation is not a punishment and is not meant to be a deterrent, it is simply a consequence of one's choice.
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Old 05-16-2002, 06:27 PM   #196
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Anyway, what is the answer to my predictable question?
Do you have one or know of someone who might?
I dont know - and dont know anyone who does. Quite frankly, I think the "reason" that God created this whole thing is unknowable. I know people say that He created it so that we can know Him and love Him, and with that I do agree. But I cannot answer the basic question of "Why did the Almighty even bother in the first place". I suspect it has something to do with Love.

If you hear of any good insights, by all means, let me know.
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Old 05-16-2002, 06:29 PM   #197
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I don't see the payoff here
At the risk of making you really, really mad - my 3 year old doesnt want to get another shot either even though I have explained it to her
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Old 05-16-2002, 06:31 PM   #198
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What makes their opinion authoritative? If God really wanted to decieve 2 billion people into thinking he was a nice guy, it would be well within his power, no?
He certainly could decieve 2 billion people that He created. I do feel it is more likely, however, that you are missing something.
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If you would just accept the opinion of the 2 billion people that KNOW Him, you would stop asking. Is it more likely you are right or the 2 billion?</strong>
What about the opinion of the 4 billion or so other people on this planet who don't know him?

Is it more likely you are right, or the 4 billion?

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Old 05-16-2002, 06:33 PM   #200
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To predict the Christian response: damnation is not a punishment and is not meant to be a deterrent, it is simply a consequence of one's choice.
Hey, no fair. You have to make these predictions before the answers are posted. I have already stated my answer about the eternal choice to be separated from God. Is this some sort of atheist trick?
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