Llyricist

Rad you are tooo funny with the bald assertions and self proclaimed victory marches. I notice you passed over the statement of fact about the rather extreme rarety of Washington invoking Christ or Jesus, or even God.

That's the only sort of standards there ARE in judging whether something is offensive.

SOURCE PLEASE???? Stop making these assertions without backup, it's impolite. (Though I know your sources are all Christian apologetic sites, I found what I found before THROUGH one... the rest of the assertions in them are unsourced or uncheckable)

You have limited knowledge then. Now remember you said similar, didn't he publicly proclaim JC to be his favorite philosopher? he's made all sorts of similar statements, and he can't even make a speech without invoking his god or Jesus in it. And you compare him to Washington??? and say he is LESS likely to invoke his religion? WOW

Yellum Notnef

Why would Washington have made this comment?

This is pure speculation on my part,but maybe his advice to the Indians was for no other purpose than their own safety. If they had converted to Christianity the Christians who took over this country probably wouldn't have wiped them out.
The fact that they didn't convert to Christianity and are now all but gone speaks for itself.

I live in Massachusetts (which is an Indian name). The street I live on is called Anawan street (named after Chief Anawan). About five miles down the road is a historical site called "Anawan Rock".
I've lived in this area for 32 years and do you know how many Native Americans I've seen? NONE

Has ANYONE living in America ever seen a Native American family at a ballgame,shopping at a mall or having lunch at McDonalds? I certainly have not.

mike_decock

Living in Phoenix, quite frequently, actually.

-Mike...

Radorth

You've lost the argument until you find a statement by Bush saying people who shun religion are not patriots- a statement no modern president would dare to make. It's not always true anyway. So either Washington is a bigot, or Bush is more careful than he.

Take your pick bub, or give it up.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

NOGO

The key word here is "her".
There is no way that society can protect an unborn child against her mother. Unless you wish to test every woman of age every month and then locking her up until he child is born. And while she is locked up she is forced to eat well, no alcohol, no smoking, no drugs, no falling nor anything that can endanger the child.

Once the child is born I hope that you, Radorth, are willing to feed, clothes and raise this child till adulthood, otherwise you comments are just ... air!

But even if you were willing to take care of the child it may just be that this woman does not want to have any child of hers in this world. Not knowing where he/she is and what will happen to him/her. Can you understand this, Radorth.

Hyperbole.
The law goes as far as it should and can do no more and that is fine by me.

Your concern for the unborn child of others is totally hypocritical.
It has nothing to do with morality and the law it has to do with political agenda. Religious people are fond of imposing their point of view on others.

Radorth

I took one of them. Have you?

Prochoicers don't have one? They do and they are quite politic and mindless about it. Now they are scared to death Scott Peterson will be tried for a double murder and are whining about that. But even if we did condemn many abortions, it would be better than justifying third trimester abortions or letting young women feel guilty the rest of their lives, encouraging them to be irresponsible knowing they can easily get an abortion, or keeping thousands of willing and worthy American parents from adopting babies.

I've always been reasonable and thoughtful about abortion. I could almost see allowing early term abortions in overpopulated countries to make life bearable for the rest of the people. But that is not the case in most countries, and where all babies are wanted, as here, partial birth abortion is nothing less than cold blooded murder.

Those who disagree are the simple-minded reactionaries IMO.

Rad

Opera Nut

Rad, you got any stats on third-trimester abortions? There are three different standards in Roe v. Wade, FYI.

Also, do you have any facts or testimony on what kind of severe birth defects would necessitate a third-trimester abortion. "Partial Birth" is not a medical term, it's a political term.

Got any testimony from women who have had a very late abortion for reasons like anencephaly or other defects which do not permit viable birth or life for more than a few minutes/hours after birtth?

I've had to look at people like Flip Benham, Randall Terry, Don Treshman and their ilk in court in a civil damages trial. Those people are downright creepy. Worse than any horror movie I could imagine. I swore I would never work in court again after I had to look at them at work. And I never did go back to court, I was so traumatized by their speech and actions.

Don Treshman said "I neither condemn nor condone the killing of Dr. David Gunn."

The jury gasped. in shock.

The defendants lost, hit with a large monetary judgment and a restraining order.

Radorth

Do you have a point?

At least you aren't a pro-choice reactionary.

Hopefully.

Rad

Opera Nut

You make it sound like any woman at any stage of pregnancy, even past viability outside the womb, can go to any abortion clinic or abortion doctor and get an abortion for any reason.

This is not true.

Please answer my questions.

I went to law school, and graduated as well with a Juris Doctor. Roe v. Wade has three distinct tests of the interaction of the woman's right to privacy and the state's right to interfere. This case law is an acknowledgement of the scientific development of the zygote/embryo/fetus/viability stages.

Do you understand what I am asking you about the three different trimester rules?

Do you understand what I am asking you about late term abortions because of extreme fetal defects? Do you know anything about the medical conditions that might make it necessary? Many people who are extreme anti abortionists have absolutely no knowledge of obstetrics and gynecology and female reproduction and diseases, morbidity,mortality in general during reproductive life/pregnancy.

You better know your obstetrics better than you have demonstrated so far.