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Starboy · 02-07-2003, 08:03 AM

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Ask Kally. The poll doesn't lie.

(Yes, it's probably not accurate, but that doesn't keep some people from arguing that it is.)

Rufus, your argument might sway more people if you did not stoop to using the same tactics you accuse your opponents of employing.

Starboy

RufusAtticus · 02-07-2003, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Starboy
Rufus, your argument might sway more people if you did not stoop to using the same tactics you accuse your opponents of employing.

It's their claim, I'm just tossing it back at them. If they are part of the majority opinion on IIDB, then the majority opinion is morally repugnant to me.

Radorth · 02-07-2003, 08:13 AM

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we are laughing at people like you who can't even answer a simple yes or no question. It's amazing.

I offered a perfectly reasonable third alternative, so it is not a yes or no question. What's amazing is that you stubbornly keep it as such, in spite of thoughtful objections, because thinking is painful for you. I didn't like to think much either when I was a young atheist. Rufus and Bill S make you guys look like mindless morons IMO. Try to get over yourselves.

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Take a look at the poll.. what does the majority say? I'll bet the majority are not xians.

Well duh!

And yes I could love a God who solved an impossible dilemma by sending Christ. When you guys grow up, I'll attempt to explain it to you.

Rad

Ronin · 02-07-2003, 08:14 AM

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Now here is a real situation that fits the original question.

No it isn't ~ but, do go on, you're avoidance of the A&E conundrum is enchanting.

RufusAtticus · 02-07-2003, 08:18 AM

Quit dancing around the question.

Would you let the entire family suffer for the actions of this boy?

Note: You can reform the original question by replacing "the entire family" with "billions of people" and "this boy" with "two people."

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you're avoidance of the A&E conundrum is enchanting

Since I'm not a xian, biblical mythology gives me no conundrum.

Ronin · 02-07-2003, 08:21 AM

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And yes I could love a God who solved an impossible dilemma by sending Christ. When you guys grow up, I'll attempt to explain it to you.

Ah, the age old "I'll send the sacrifice of myself to myself in order to appease my own anger at my own perfect creations, who committed the most foul crime, in their innocence and perfection, of eating a fruit against my vengeful will."

...one, two, three...one, two, three...

hezekiah jones · 02-07-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Apparently many of the "freethinkers" on this board would have no problem giving [Emmett Till] up, which I find morally repugnant.

Where do you get that?

Ronin · 02-07-2003, 08:32 AM

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Note: You can reform the original question by replacing "the entire family" with "billions of people" and "this boy" with "two people."

RA ~ NO 'Actions' committed by two people <this boy> would EVER justify the subsequent suffering of billions of people <the entire family>.

Hope that helps...as it is what I have said before.

~ as for me I would...and have resolved very similar situations with the common sense and justice of secular law...as no deity was available at that time.

RufusAtticus · 02-07-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Apparently many of the "freethinkers" on this board would have no problem giving [Emmett Till] up, which I find morally repugnant.

Where do you get that?

Look at the poll. That's twenty-six people who'd do that.

Dr Rick · 02-07-2003, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
I offered a perfectly reasonable third alternative...

*poof* logic and rational thought is replaced with ad hoc gibberish.

...

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[...which is] "God does not punish 'everybody'."

*poof* The Christian concept of Original sin is no more.

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If no one suffered, temporarily at least, no one would appreciate not suffering, nor would we learn to obey God.

*poof* The Christian concept of a loving god is no more.

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I didn't like to think much either when I was a young atheist.

Not much has changed since then.

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Rufus and Bill S make you guys look like mindless morons IMO. Try to get over yourselves.

What a charming and enlightening thing to post.

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And yes I could love a God who solved an impossible dilemma by sending Christ.

*poof* The Christian concept of an omnipotent god is no more.

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When you guys grow up, I'll attempt to explain it to you

Yes, charming to the end.

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02-07-2003, 08:30 AM	#117
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by RufusAtticus Apparently many of the "freethinkers" on this board would have no problem giving [Emmett Till] up, which I find morally repugnant. Where do you get that?

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