Amos

I don't think Catholics know what the Vatican teaches and they really don't need to. Tradition is what counts and if using contraception means sin then sin it will be. And why not? -- if the cross of eternal salvation is for sinners only it would be a good thing to use contraception (I add this just to show the other side of sin).

Is it perhaps true that sin-torn protestants know more about Catholic doctrine then Catholics themselves?

Amos

Judiasm and Catholicism are mystery religions in which God cannot be studied but must be revealed to the believer. Down with the "School of Divin-ity." What a paradox and proof of ignorance!

Amos

Trobert the Church understands that you are a victim of cicumstances. You did not create yourself but from their point of view to condone it is to enculture it and so increase the occurances. Have you ever wondered why traditionally the oldest child of each family was to become either a priest of a nun? (don't ask me for an answer here).

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sullster

I think James Carroll would have a stroke if he read anything that Amos writes about what catholicism is.
I think Carroll is a guy who could become an agnostic but is attracted to the church and wants to reform it. He is a dreamer, I say. He is an aging 1960's radical type who just can't give up his dreams.
Hang it up, James, and besides if this was the 16th century that editorial would have got you a well done stake. Burn baby burn.

Max Bane

In today's Military History class, we just talked about this "tradition" -- according to the teacher, it was actually the _second_ son who traditionally entered the church. The first would inherit the estate and run the family business, and the the third would enter the military, usually cavalry if he's upper class. Sons thereafter would kind of alternate between church and military.

Henrietta

Throbert I do understand that. And if your experiences were sort of comfortable I can see that and have heard it before. I don't agree that all Jews have is the religion. It's an ethnic and cultural group. Orpheous have you ever know any secular jews? I think most jews in US are non-religious. That's my impression anyway.

Amos

Carroll doesn't understand sullster and sounds more like a protestant reformer than a Catholic --which makes him a-gnostic already.

You are right that the things I write here do not belong on a Catholic board and are never allowed on a protestant board.

Amos

Max I think I know that it was the oldest, either girl or boy, and the estate often did not exist.

GunnerJ

Another perfectly good post hijacked by Amos' bullshit.

David Gould

i like Amos's bullshit - seriously. He is interesting and entertaining, if not always clear...(understatement!)

And I think he did address your post. Of course, it got a little sidetracked but threads usually do, after all.

With regard to your original post, I used to be virilently anti Catholic in my rhetoric. Now I think that the fundamentalist Protestants are the real threat to athiesm, science, progress, et cetera.

Catholicism is at least liberal in its application if not in doctrine...