I. C. Unicorns

Do we know that the sheep don't like sex with humans? Claiming that bestiality is wrong because its icky is the same logic used to claim homosexuality is wrong.

Dhaeron

Why do you assume up front it is permissible? I don't know of any good argument for the case that killing animals to eat them (at least in the amount we do. Far beyond need) is not immoral. While it is very easy to see why killing other living beings for pleasure can be considered immoral. However when has a bit immorality ever stopped humanity from doing things we like? We value our pleasure higher than moral considerations all the time. That doesn't make it moral though.

Ms. Siv

I'm not sure killing them is not cruelty.

I personally am not a moral vegan or any such thing ... but I do think that people should have some consistency in their moral judgements.

JGL53

What constitutes "moral consistency" is in the eye of the beholder, basically because morality, like every thought that was ever born in the brain of a human, is subjective.

- E.g. -

1. Some people believe abortion is murder, and are also in favor of the death penalty.
2. Some people believe abortion is murder, and believe the death penalty is murder.
3. Some people do not believe abortion is murder, and are in favor of the death penalty.
4. Some people do not believe abortion is murder and believe the death penalty is murder.

Which group is the "morally consistent" one? You will argue that the one you AGREE WITH is. And each member of the three groups you disagree with are assuming certain things that members of your groups does not assume. Who are the true assumers and who are the false assumers?

I eat meat, I support anti-cruelty laws regarding both humans and non-human animals, and I support murder laws (in regards to humans, I would hope it would go without saying).

I see no moral inconsistency in the above, but a minority of people would disagree. The over-whelming majority of humans, living or dead, agree (or would have agreed) with me. And I doubt there is any argument in heaven, earth, or hell that will turn the vast majority of this majority around.

All viewpoints are based on various assumptions, which may or may not be disparate from one person to another on any particular question. There is no absolute morality, religionists and other idealists be hanged.

His Noodly Appendage

What Loren Said.

Bestiality is icky as all hell, but I can't see what's inherently immoral about it. Of course, if by doing it you traumatise the animal, then it's cruel, which IS immoral - but then, the same goes for every other activity, including golf and the making of tomato sandwiches. And if a dog frantically humping your leg *isn't* consent, then what is?

Humans place extremely high importance on sex, and consider sex without explicit consent to be a massive violation. (I still wonder how much of this perception is cultivated by our society). From what I can see, however, most other animals do not seem to share this perception - and so the requirement for informed consent seems somewhat irrelevant. If anyone can cite demonstrable psychological trauma in animals resulting from unwanted sexual activity (in the absence of physical trauma), then I'll revise my opinion.

I reiterate once more, however: Ew.

Loren Pechtel

Exactly. Icky isn't enough to make something illegal. If Icky were enough the durian should be banned.

His Noodly Appendage

Damn. I think you just crippled our point...

Autonemesis

Didn't you mean "Ewe!"

g-21-lto

I much prefer ram, thank you.

epepke

I'm not sure that the people who claim this are anything other than completely out to lunch.

Bosco the Undifferentiated Terrier constantly tries to lick my penis when I am naked. I prevent her from doing this, because I reserve the licking of my penis for human females.