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Old 03-13-2003, 04:03 PM   #331
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See I don't get it. If it is conceivable I would think it as possibly real.
But in what form, imaginary?
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No, what I am saying is that it was always possible for the moon to shield you during the eclipse and always impossible for the moon to not shield you during an eclipse(by definition). Thus no event in question is possible sometime and impossible other times, you are simply describing different events and appealing to contradictions in terms.
Untrue . Please read the example again, we cabn resort to logic if you will, clearly sometimes it is possible for the moon to shield you from the sun and at other times impossible. You asked for something that was sometimes possible and sometimes impossible - here you have it.
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By pure memory I mean one composed purely of inductive data collected by experience. With no a priori reasoning added.
A memory is a priori by definition. Memory collected by experience implies some form of mind activity therefore a priori reasoning. Pure memory of this kind is thus impossible.
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Perhaps, but it is still a priori. Which undercuts empiricism.
I would agree that since our minds already exist, there is a difficulty achieving a brain state with no a priori. However, empiricism can externalize data in formal manner giving more strength to deductions made using that data.
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Well with your mirror example I would just look and count how many reflections are shown. Lets say "4" are shown, I just count up to four and settle the matter.
Not a very thorough investigation, would a bigger mirror help?
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No just present what you found relevant in that thread.
All of it, and its not very long. Here's the link Contradictions and Dialetheism
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But how can my perceptions actively organize sense data by themselves? If that is the case are they really percieving or imposing the data?
Straw man. Heres what I posted "That is your perception - this to illustrate that perception is more than just passive reception of sense data."
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But within your system you are actively ruling out the prescriptive, making your anti-prescriptive standard prescriptive.
LOL! That's what you think, I'm not forcing you to take any prescription at all. In fact that's exactly what I prescribe, don't take any prescriptions.
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Well I presented absolute truths and you simply rejected them a priori. So technically anything I presented to you as an absolute truth would be considered unacceptable no matter what.
You presented prescriptive truths that only maintained a semblance of coherence within your system. I did not reject them as a priori, I refuted them by showing them to be relative to a system ultimately depending on an a priori.
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Likewise you have not provided examples of how reality is consistent with relativism, you have only claimed so much.
I don't need to - you have proven so yourself! See below.
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My statement is also not the pot calling the kettle black as I believe my axioms are self-evident. Thus not matters of faith but matters of evidence.
Your axioms are self-evident to you. They are relative to you.

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Old 03-14-2003, 07:36 AM   #332
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John, I wasn't making an argument, just stating an opinion--an opinion that has been stated before, in this thread, by others.

John, do you really think that a non-relativist disagrees that other people have opinions, some of which do not agree with the non-relativist's own?

Again, I realize that there are differences of opinion; I realize that many viewpoints exist.

The question isn't, are there various opinions.

The question is, on what basis should one choose their opinion.

I believe that the above is a question that relativism does not, and cannot, answer.

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The question is, on what basis should one choose their opinion.

I believe that the above is a question that relativism does not, and cannot, answer.
Why should relativism say one what basis you should choose your opinion? Relativism does afford explanations of how people do make their decisions and, unsurprisingly, it is related to their minds (decision making process) and their circumstances.

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