FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-26-2003, 05:11 AM   #31
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Beautiful Colorado
Posts: 682
Default

I too would be hesitant to allow my children too much time around a gay man who is 'constantly struggling.' How do you say time bomb?

Besides, spurly, you say that you you wouldn't prevent a homosexual from coming to church and worshiping. That is completely unscriptural. A little leven levans the whole lump, cast that evil from among you. Just like the man with his mother-in-law, his sin is influencing the church.

In other words, you aren't being the bigot the bible tells you to be.
Talulah is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 06:55 AM   #32
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: springfield, MA. USA
Posts: 2,482
Default FR. ANDREW, move to Canada?

I realise that your sentence about relocating to Canada (I know how persuasive the reasons are!) was marginal to the topic here, Guy/Andrew (Are you CofE, then?).

But my impression is ( responding to the many of us who carry the remove-to-Canada as a private fantasy) that the rational & hard-working neighbors to our North do NOT want and are officially = government/legally opposed to admitting self-styled refugees , or *any* permanent immigrants from the lower 50.
Why shd they accept USA "fugitives"? Canada has economic & other problems of its own.

I may decide to live in Newfy part-time, even so.....
Where are you in "mid-coastal Maine ", Cleric? I lived about 6 yrs (front of the 1990s) downEaster of you >>> Machias.
I've considered living fulltime for short periods aboard the NS/Newfy ferry; possibly an impossibly-wacko fantasy...
abe smith is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 07:53 AM   #33
Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast?
Posts: 10,762
Default Re: Re: For Spurly

Quote:
Originally posted by spurly
For my children, or for children of most people who follow Christ, yes I reject the notion that people who are actively involved in a homosexual life-style can be a positive role-model.
But Big Brothers/Big Sisters is not a Christian organization, and they cater to children of all religions. Why should they be expected to adhere to Christian doctrine in all cases? And how do you expect to convince them with a solely Christian argument? I'm pretty sure that parents and guardians can request a heterosexual or even a Christan Big Brother or Sister for their child.

(Leaving aside for the moment that not all Christians believe homosexual behavior is a sin; most American Christians and probably the majority of Christians worldwide do).
Godless Dave is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 08:23 AM   #34
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,931
Default Re: Re: Harm of Religion #812

Quote:
Originally posted by Totalitarianist
The fact is that 98 percent of the population is heterosexual. 10 percent of convicted pedophiles are homosexuals.
(1) cite your source
(2) What per cent of pedophiles are lesbians?
(3) What per cent of gay men are pedophiles?
(4) So (according to your statistics) 90 % of pedophiles are heterosexual men? Sounds like that's the group that should be excluded from working with children.
(5) You really get on my nerves.
TomboyMom is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 08:37 AM   #35
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,931
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by spurly

He's a psychologist. He knows that children are extemely impressionable. Big Brothers and Big Sisters goal is to find good role models for children who do not have a father or mother actively involved in their life.

If the match the BB/BS sets up works, the child will look up to the person they have been matched with, and many children will think that their Big walks on water. They will want to be like him/her - to do what they do. That is the nature of role models.

As many gay and lesbian people as heterosexuals are decent people, even heroes, who should be looked up to and honored. This is especially true of those with the integrity and courage to live honestly and be true to themselves. I will name Michelangelo, Jane Addams, and that guy on the plane who (along with others) defeated the terrorists on 9/11 and prevented a third major tragedy on that day. The kind of people who need to be kept away from influencing children are narrow bigots who wrongly week to deprive others of their rights, and god-worshippers who spread their lies and propaganda, and who are known to proselytize these same lies to adults and impressionable children.
TomboyMom is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 08:45 AM   #36
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wales, UK
Posts: 931
Default Re: Re: Re: For Spurly

Quote:
Originally posted by Godless Dave
But Big Brothers/Big Sisters is not a Christian organization, and they cater to children of all religions. Why should they be expected to adhere to Christian doctrine in all cases? And how do you expect to convince them with a solely Christian argument? I'm pretty sure that parents and guardians can request a heterosexual or even a Christan Big Brother or Sister for their child.

(Leaving aside for the moment that not all Christians believe homosexual behavior is a sin; most American Christians and probably the majority of Christians worldwide do).
Thank you for clearing that up, Godless Dave. I had assumed BB/BS was a Christian org., given the comments of previous posters. (Yep, I'm lazy.)
TW
Treacle Worshipper is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 11:50 AM   #37
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Betsy's Bluff, Maine
Posts: 540
Default Re: FR. ANDREW, move to Canada?

Quote:
Originally posted by abe smith
I realise that your sentence about relocating to Canada (I know how persuasive the reasons are!) was marginal to the topic here, Guy/Andrew (Are you CofE, then?).

But my impression is ( responding to the many of us who carry the remove-to-Canada as a private fantasy) that the rational & hard-working neighbors to our North do NOT want and are officially = government/legally opposed to admitting self-styled refugees , or *any* permanent immigrants from the lower 50.
Why shd they accept USA "fugitives"? Canada has economic & other problems of its own.

I may decide to live in Newfy part-time, even so.....
Where are you in "mid-coastal Maine ", Cleric? I lived about 6 yrs (front of the 1990s) downEaster of you >>> Machias.
I've considered living fulltime for short periods aboard the NS/Newfy ferry; possibly an impossibly-wacko fantasy...

(Fr Andrew): Hi, Abe! You may be right, and it certainly makes sense that Canada would be reluctant to make citizens of people likely to end up on the dole, but it seems that if someone has a marketable skill that would contribute to the economy (possibly create jobs), any nation would be foolish to turn them away. This day and age.

I live on Hatchet Mountain--beyond Hope.
Machias is a pretty place. Maine is a pretty place.
Theologian, yes. Cleric, no.

You can have a ferryboat job. That's a miserable way to make a living, IMO--especially on the North Atlantic in the wintertime.
Fr.Andrew is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 03:31 PM   #38
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,931
Default Re: Re: Re: Harm of Religion #812

Quote:
Originally posted by TomboyMom

(2) What per cent of pedophiles are lesbians?
I see you didn't care to answer this question. It's something like .001%
Therefore the best way to protect children from pedophilia is for them to be cared for excusively by lesbians? Any objection? If so, examine your premises and your prejudices.
TomboyMom is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 05:54 PM   #39
Obsessed Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Not Mayaned
Posts: 96,752
Default

If we are looking for a group to keep away from kids we ought to look to Christians. Pedophilia is often the result of sexual repression.
Loren Pechtel is offline  
Old 02-26-2003, 09:10 PM   #40
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 710
Default Re: Another question for spurly

Quote:
Originally posted by Treacle Worshipper
Quote spurly:

people who are actively involved in a homosexual life-style

1) What do you consider to be "a homosexual life-style"?
2) I am bi, more on the lesbian side than "50/50". I am currently single and celibate. I am open to a relationship with either sex. Do you consider me a bad influence?

TW
If you are open to, and would accept a relationship with someone of the same sex, then I probably would not recommend placing you in a position of influence in a child's life.

Note. I didn't say that I would beat you up, burn your house down, ask your boss to fire you, or anything else. You still have rights to live the type of life you want to live, but when it comes to children who I have the grave responsibility of helping with their spiritual growth, I would not place you in their life as a role-model. Please note, that I would also not place you in their life as a straw man to knock down and say how evil you were.

Kevin
spurly is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:42 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.