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Old 06-19-2002, 03:01 PM   #21
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<strong>God could be messing with someone's mind in such a fashion that they only have the illusion of sensory experience.

Yes, I know this is a spin-off of the brain-in-a-jar theory. I don't care much for the argument from illusion, but it is a possibility than can never be proven or disproven.

My point? Not every definition of God can be disproven, hence positive atheism is inherently flawed.</strong>

Can the Loch Ness Monster be proven or disproven? There is no Loch Ness Monster.
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Old 06-19-2002, 04:12 PM   #22
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Can the Loch Ness Monster be proven or disproven? There is no Loch Ness Monster.

Yes. The existence of the Loch Ness Monster can be disproven (as long as you accept that our senses are generally reliable). The Loch Ness Monster lives supposedly lives in a specific lake. If the lake is completely searched out and The Loch Ness Monster is not spotted (a being composed of matter and of such enormous size should not be difficult to spot), then it's only reasonable to claim that the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist.

God is not easy to spot (a being not composed of matter). I don't even know if you can ever detect God's presence. Until I can detect God's presence directly or indirectly I will lack belief in God.
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Old 06-19-2002, 04:44 PM   #23
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<strong>Can the Loch Ness Monster be proven or disproven? There is no Loch Ness Monster.

Yes. The existence of the Loch Ness Monster can be disproven (as long as you accept that our senses are generally reliable). The Loch Ness Monster lives supposedly lives in a specific lake. If the lake is completely searched out and The Loch Ness Monster is not spotted (a being composed of matter and of such enormous size should not be difficult to spot), then it's only reasonable to claim that the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist.</strong>
Hogwash. That's not a disproof. That's silliness.

How large do think Nessie is? How do you know? How large is Loch Ness? How do you propose to search it? How many underwater caves are there? What makes you think so? What do you know about the six major rivers which flow into the loch? How long and how deep is the fault? (You did know that it was an active fault, didn't you?) How do you insure that Nessie is not simply occupying an area not yet searched? How can you be sure that it has not relocated to an are already searched? Is Nessie water bound or can she move to land? How would you know?

Once again, you've "proved" nothing -- other than the worrisome fact that you apparently don't know what you don't know, and that is indeed a shaky basis upon which to establish a set of assertions.
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