Yellum Notnef

Who here has ever said those situations are good?

Christ-on-a-stick never said that any of those sexual activities were good and in fact covered behaviour like that when she said:
So because some people abuse sex and use it in a hurtful way,we should all stop doing it? Why not stop using cars,hammers, and baseball bats while we're at it since all these things have proven to not only be harmful,but deadly when in the hands of a few sick individuals?

Perhaps we should ban your entire religioin while we're at since it too can be used to hurt people when in the wrong hands.

Sabine Grant

Hello Fenton... for once I will agree with you that the intent is what defines evil not the object itself of our actions.
I also think that gemma did not mean to express that all sex is evil but is following judeo christian beliefs that sex out of marriage is evil. Theme which is also reflected in other religions.

And yes I agree with you that religion when in the wrong hands is a deadly and damaging weapon for human beings to control and oppress others. What better argument than to use the " God said so" to justify our own evil?
GEMMA :
Am I echoing your thinking gemma or did you mean to say that all sex is evil?

Yellum Notnef

I don`t know if thats what she was getting at either,but I figured I`d answer that just in case thats where this was heading. The question was originally about if sex was ever "sinful",but Christ-on-a-stick and I feel that "sin" is a religious description that has no meaning in a world with no god to upset by "sinning".

Gemma then dropped the religious terminology and asked if certian criminal avtivities involving sex were "good". A really foolish question to ask in my opinion because nobody either religious or non would ever think those situations were good unless they were sick in the head. But are those situations "sinful"? No. Sin and the god who is said to have created a system based on sin are not factors in the real world.

Ensign Steve

EXCUSE ME?!! I never said that. Amos did. I DO NOT appreciate your putting words into my mouth!

Amos

Sorry Jennifer but here is what I said:

Sex is good and never sinfull until you violate your own perimeter. Your own perimeter is your own knowledge of right and wrong regardless of whether you acknowledge this or not.

the_cave

oriecat--these are quite interesting, thank you. However, I should note that they appear to reflect popular Medieval traditions, but are nevertheless not at all official (or even unofficial) doctrine of the Catholic church. Though they're still interesting as traditions. The only Annunciation celebrated (currently) by the church is the one to Mary, and the Immaculate Conception is assumed to have taken place by regular old marital relations between Anne & Joachim (which could well be legendary names, as even the Church will state. They're still saints, but the point is to honor Mary's parents, even if their names are not known. A lot of Catholic practice is like that, to its credit, if you ask me.) The rest is assumed to be a nice legend. I'm definitely not surprised there's some confusion. Just getting the "facts" straight, thanks.

Ensign Steve

Yeah, so? I didn't say any of it. It was your good pal Gemma who took your words out of context, not me. I'd say talk to her and leave me the hell out of it, except that she stuck my name on your quote, so I'm guess I'm in it whether I want to be or not.

Amos

Sorry Jennifer, you copied only part of my line and that is why things went wrong. Nothing to worry about because you did not do this to make a statement of fact.

Ensign Steve

I copied EXACTLY what GEMMA posted. Read through the thread, you will see what I am talking about. GEMMA took your quote, snipped only the part she was interested in critiquing, took your meaning completely out of its original context, and then attached my name to it. My beef with her is that she attached MY name to it. If you are upset about the SNIP you need to talk to the person who did the snip. It wasn't me.

Edited to add: OOPS, okay I see where it happened. My bad. The snip is mine, I'll take credit for that.

But I still don't accept Gemma attributing the quote to me. I was merely repeating what Amos said (not in its entirety, I concede) and Gemma pins the quote on me as though it were my original idea.

Amos

That is what I told you, dear Jennifer, and I apologized on your behalf because you did not try to decieve anybody but just took part of it to introduce a question.