7thangel

To all:

I have a question:

Would you like a challenge in which if can met the challenge, you will follow and defend my theistic beliefs?

Angrillori

I hope you're not saying what it sounds like you're saying.

What it sounds like you're saying:
Would we like to see you set up a challenge, that if you can succeed at (your own challenge) we would be bound to follow your theistic beliefs?

If this is what you're saying then of course not.

If you're saying that you're willing to come to my backyard, set up two barbecues, then pray and see whose god lights them, then, sure, I'm up for that.

Remember, though your god says I'm supposed to slaughter you if he doesn't answer. (But don't worry, I won't! What kind of person do you think I am, a christian?! I will expect you to follow the bible though and fully convert to my beliefs.)

Fiach

There is more to that quote "Well, I'm only human." As the Romans were placing Jesus on the cross, and holding a big ugly nail to pound on, a Roman said. "You're the Messiah. If you can walk on water, you can surely escape this predicament."

Jesus replied, "well I'm only human. Ow! Ow! Ow! Help! Help!"

I know it is bad taste, but try to take it as a dark joke. Maybe God if he exists, has some sense of humour.

Fiach

7thangel

I do not mean that I set my own challenge, of course! There must be a mutual agreement what type of challenge that is. And let us set up the mutual conditions.

I wont accept this kind of challenge. And please stop making such misrepresentation of my belief. If you think that is how others interpret it, then I am not one of them.

7thangel

Actually, he really was challenged by the poeple, and one of those crucified with him. And while the other one, with humility, just want to be remembered if Christ comes to his kingdom. And oddly enough, Christ said, "Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing." And true enough, they do not know that His crucifixion, and of the Jews not recieving Him as their lord and Christ, were foretold, and that's what they were doing.

Justin70

<long pause>

You have GOT to be kidding me.

The bible is intentionally written to be misunderstood by the lost? So, let me understand this: No matter how hard I try to 'understand' the bible, it will ALWAYS elude me until I come around and become a Christian? Am I understanding this correctly or did I miss something?

Justin

Justin70

Hasn't the whole 'prophecy fulfilling' thing been done to death recently? I think there are several threads on it that haven't convinced any atheists here of anything. Aren't we opening the door to more of kind of a 'copy and paste' thing from another thread?

Justin

BioBeing

How is this any differenty to Baloo's challenge? If he loses, he studies the bible and trys to be a Christian. If any accept your challenge, and lose, they follow you and accept (and defend) your deity. [Against our principles?] How does this differ from
PS - I offered myself up for conversion earlier. For you to make me a true believer by any means you chose (within the limits of this message board, anyway). Seems like you passed up that offer...

Angrillori

You won't, but the Baal-ites were supposed to?

Consider this me impersonating Elijah: I'm calling your god out. On the seventh day from today I will have two grills set up in my back yard. If he's any better than Baal, he HAS to show.

7thangel

I am making a point why such challenges are not accepted by showing the complication of making such challenges because of clash in principles, and also of no intention subjecting to the winner. Which bring me back Baloo's challenge, where I noted in his thread the problem of no interest of following me, such as agreeing with my beliefs. Becasue in such scenario, it really does not benefit God becasue Baloo will just create scism in the church of God because of going on with his(baloo) own beliefs. And having such beliefs that contradict my God, he(baloo) therefore will still remain an enemy of God. And that is the like scenario of what Angrilori quoted about those false prophets of baal. And that the story of Elijah challenging the false prophets, the real beneficiary are those who believed. So if you challenge God without intention of subjecting unto Him, then it will have no benefit for you, and for God as well. And if such challenge will not benefit you, there is no reason for us Christians to accept it.