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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-07-2003, 01:57 PM

Theli,

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What is your definition?

My definition is 'What I say it is'.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas.

Alludium Fozdex · 03-07-2003, 02:01 PM

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Morality reduces to nothing more than the preferences of the guy with the biggest stick...

And when, exactly, in the history of civilization, has this not been the case?

Philosoft · 03-07-2003, 02:50 PM

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Your hypothetical question is non-sensical. It could never arise. God would never proclaim to man 'genocide is good'.

Is it a free decision on God's part to decree "genocide is bad"?

Ab_Normal · 03-07-2003, 03:07 PM

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Your hypothetical question is non-sensical. It could never arise. God would never proclaim to man 'genocide is good'.

I'm not sure which god you're talking about, but here's what the god of the OT had to say about it:

Numbers chapter 21:

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21:31 Thus Israel dwelt in the land of the Amorites.

21:32 And Moses sent to spy out Jaazer, and they took the villages thereof, and drove out the Amorites that were there.

21:33 And they turned and went up by the way of Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan went out against them, he, and all his people, to the battle at Edrei.

21:34 And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.

21:35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.

Deuteronomy Chapter 3:

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3:3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

3:4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.

3:5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many.

3:6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-07-2003, 03:30 PM

Ab_Normal,

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I'm not sure which god you're talking about, but here's what the god of the OT had to say about it:

Your point?

These were not genocide.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Jeremy Pallant · 03-07-2003, 03:50 PM

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Ab_Normal,

Your point?

These were not genocide.

Ah of course! That makes sense. There were only massacres. Everyone knows a massacre is moral and genocide is not.

Ab_Normal · 03-07-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas
Ab_Normal,

Your point?

These were not genocide.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

from dictionary.com:

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The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

systematic killing of a racial or cultural group

(emphasis added by me)

They killed everybody in an area and took it over. What would you call it?

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-07-2003, 04:12 PM

Jeremey,

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Originally posted by Jeremy Pallant
Ah of course! That makes sense. There were only massacres. Everyone knows a massacre is moral and genocide is not.

Genocide is crime commited by man to man.

Numbers 21:34
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land;

Deuteronomy 3:2
The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land.

These were Gods judgement.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Ab_Normal · 03-07-2003, 04:14 PM

But god's followers had to do the smiting.

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21:35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.

3:6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city

Bill Snedden · 03-07-2003, 04:15 PM

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If God exists then God is the moral standard. It's not that He just chooses a rule out of thin air...He is the rule.

Your "answer" is a non-sequitur. How does "God" answer the question, "is it morally acceptable for me to do X?"

The mere existence of God supplies us with no standard for morality. There must either be some aspect of God that we can determine by reason, or he reveals his will or nature to us in some fashion.

Which is it? And why "god" and not "humanity?"

Some of your other responses don't lead me to believe that you actually have a coherent answer to this. Dodging questions and redefining "genocide" to suit your presupposition simply isn't an acceptable response.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

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