Dominus Paradoxum

http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58909,00.html

That's it. As soon as I can, I'm moving to Canada.

Sakpo

You think they care about the border? You imagine the Canadian counterparts aren't more than happy to take orders from the sourthern neighbors? My father's phones were tapped and he was under surveillance for years by the RCMP, because the FBI asked them to do so in the name of the fight against international communism after he came to Canada. All his phone conversations, comings and goings, etc, were dutifully sent off to the FBI. He was able to see his FBI file later and there it all was. Apart from a couple weird incidents he had had no idea he was being watched. This was inthe 1970s with lower technology.

Jat

That was during the 70's and the Cold War. The RCMP are more likely to tell agencies like the FBI to go screw themselves now. Or didn't you hear that recent complaint by American "law" enforcement agencies that Canada cared too much about its citizen's civil liberties?

George Oilwell

I posted that story here a while ago.
Better twice than not at all.

johngalt

Well, i don't know about you guys, but i don't want my walking to be profiled. I can't help it if i walk like a terrorist!

Sakpo

See how long it lasts. The RCMP and the rest of Canada's intelligence and law enforcement communities spent most of the 1990s doing the FBI and DEA's biddings in terms of the drug war (an example of this cooperation was well detailed by a 5th Estate investigation in Jan. 2001, listening to the tapes of the meetings it was quite pathetic hearing the RCMP officers falling all over themselves to try to impress the FBI and DEA guys). They also welcomed the DEA in opening a second office in Canada, one in Vancouver. Quite frankly, with the sort of technology coming down the pipelines the U.S. won't need Canadian cooperation to do this sort of thing, but I'd lay down odds they'd want it, and will get it. Wait and see.

By the way, if you look back at the Cold War era, from the late 1960s onward into the mid 1970s Canadian officials aso made public claims to be resisting American pressure to engage in this sort of crap, and the Americans complained, but all the while Canadian officials did quietly cooperate, infiltrate political groups, monitor people, etc, at the request of American agencies.

MattofVA

I wonder when this story will hit a venue more weel read/watched than WIRED. Of course, the cattle still might not give a shit. Screw moving to Canada-I think Spain(if you can speak spanish) or Ireleand(not northern) is better. That's my plan if I ever have the means.

Jat

Originally posted by Sakpo

See how long it lasts. The RCMP and the rest of Canada's intelligence and law enforcement communities spent most of the 1990s doing the FBI and DEA's biddings in terms of the drug war (an example of this cooperation was well detailed by a 5th Estate investigation in Jan. 2001, listening to the tapes of the meetings it was quite pathetic hearing the RCMP officers falling all over themselves to try to impress the FBI and DEA guys). They also welcomed the DEA in opening a second office in Canada, one in Vancouver. Quite frankly, with the sort of technology coming down the pipelines the U.S. won't need Canadian cooperation to do this sort of thing, but I'd lay down odds they'd want it, and will get it. Wait and see.

By the way, if you look back at the Cold War era, from the late 1960s onward into the mid 1970s Canadian officials aso made public claims to be resisting American pressure to engage in this sort of crap, and the Americans complained, but all the while Canadian officials did quietly cooperate, infiltrate political groups, monitor people, etc, at the request of American agencies.

And they call me paranoid.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

Italy. I have friends there, and the food is bene.

Sakpo

Are you suggesting that the United States won't be willing and able to spy on people in Canada, or that it's crazy to think there's a good chance that the Canadian government agencies that have consistently cooperated with them over the decades might continue to do so? If they're contemplating spying on every person in their own country who goes out to get some milk, what makes you think they wouldn't spy on their own citizens abroad (and possibly others), especially ones in the so called "front yard" ?