THE_LEGENDARY_HQB

Greetings ArvelJoffi,

You are having trouble accepting that atheism rquires no faith, because you have bought into the traditional {and incorrect} definition of the word {i.e, a positive statement about the nonexistence of God}.

This is simply not the case.

Theism means, as I understand it, the belief in a divinity/god/higher power. Add the prefix a, and you get a lack of belief in said divinity/god/higher power.

I, as an atheist, do not make the statement "I deny the existence of God". Perhaps that makes me a weak atheist, but I prefer the term "atheistic agnostic" used by George Smith in Atheism: The case against God.

I simply say that I see absolutely no evidence for any kind of god, any more than I see evidence for little green men, fairies, ghosts, ect. I don't believe in any of them, nor do I claim absolute certainty of their nonexistence.

Please, ArvelJoffi, please show me one part of this statement that meets any of the requirements for faith.

Go ahead, I'll wait....

*crickets*

Didn't think so.

I hearby pronounce this debate over.

HQB

{editud cuz sumtimz eye kant nott evun spel so gude}

Amos

The God belief of theists is just their description of this uknown element that prevails in everybodies life. God is the unknown and the atheist belief is a description of it. If it is right or wrong is not important here but before atheist can call it wrong they must first identify it and then call it wrong.

The unknown element exists because we have the potential to become God and after that God no longer exists (because we now have comprehended God and know who we are).

THE_LEGENDARY_HQB

Originally posted by Amos:
"The God belief of theists is just their description of this uknown element that prevails in everybodies life. God is the unknown and the atheist belief is a description of it. If it is right or wrong is not important here but before atheist can call it wrong they must first identify it and then call it wrong.

The unknown element exists because we have the potential to become God and after that God no longer exists (because we now have comprehended God and know who we are)."
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Amos, I'd ask you to explain this, but I'm deathly afraid you'd answer me.

HQB

Ronin

~ Verily.

:notworthy

Amos

It's called "enlightenment" in many Eastern religions and here in the West it is called "God" by theists and "no-God" by atheist.

hezekiah jones

"No-god" isn't a thing.

Arvel Joffi

HQB,

I've already stated that my original post didn't clearly state what I had in mind with this thread. In subsequent posts, I think I made myself very clear. I guess you could say I was asking questions about the anti-theists that pop up occasionally, here and elsewhere.

Your statement, in particular, I won't refute. Like I said - and I'll say it again - and like you stated, not believing in something is markedly different than believing firmly that something does not exist.

Most atheists are, quite simply, people with no use for a diety, or anything even remotely in the same philosophical realm. Some atheists hold their views that nothing supernatural exists beyond all reason and scientific proof.

I will now apologize again for choosing my words poorly at the beginning of the thread. I will now also state that I have clarified myself and am weary of reading responses to the original post. Henceforth, I will only bash Abrahamic religions and the twisted cultures and ideals attached to them, and we will all get along swimmingly. Thank you!

Infinity Lover

I think most atheists would refer to it as taking your head out of your ass. You should try it sometimes, it's very enlightening.

Arvel Joffi

Ouch.

hehe

Rusting Car Bumper

Why "must" an atheist do any of these things?

DC