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mark9950 · 07-31-2003, 01:29 AM

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That's the great problem I have with Christianity

Thats Gods way of being unfair,unjust and contradictory.

Doctor X · 07-31-2003, 02:52 AM

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. . . you better make sure you know for a 100% undisputable, undeniable fact that God does not and cannot exist before rejecting Him completely.

Given that if a deity does exist, he proves to be either Evil, Incompetent, and/or Irrelevant ignorance, if not rejection, proves the only rational response.

--J.D.

winstonjen · 07-31-2003, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
No, nobody says this world is fair. It isn't at all - you never know when your time is up. That is why God told us not to wait around, procrastinating to the make the choice. If you spend 20 years rejecting God, ignoring all the pushes to find Him ( and God does try to bring everyone too him - people just tend to ignore him and call things coincidence or all in your head), then it is your fault for waiting around. If you suddenly die at the end of those 20 years, its your fault for wasting all that time rejecting God.

Since you do not know how much time you have, and you could die tomorrow - you better make sure you know for a 100% undisputable, undeniable fact that God does not and cannot exist before rejecting Him completely.

How about this, then? I reject 99% of your god. The 1% I accept is the Golden Rule, and he didn't even invent it himself.

Diadectes · 07-31-2003, 07:25 AM

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They are there if you look. Its your problem for ignoring them. Christians see them all the time.

Examples, please. What are these mysterious signs that only you and your fellow superior beings can see?

Zucco · 07-31-2003, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Magus
No, nobody says this world is fair. It isn't at all - you never know when your time is up. That is why God told us not to wait around, procrastinating to the make the choice. If you spend 20 years rejecting God, ignoring all the pushes to find Him ( and God does try to bring everyone too him - people just tend to ignore him and call things coincidence or all in your head), then it is your fault for waiting around.

But that still doesn't explain why some people clearly do get more time to decide. In my original example, if the first man had died at 20 he would have gone to hell. Why did God give him 50 more years to ensure his salvation? It seems highly imperfect of a diety to arbitrarily discriminate like this when the stakes are eternal torment.

Mageth · 07-31-2003, 08:11 AM

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I'd rather live a horrible, unfulfilled life than ever give up on God ( and i'm basically at this stage).

I'm curious, which stage? Living a horrible, unfulfilled life or giving up on God (I suspect the former, from the structure of the sentence)? In either case, it sounds like you may be going through some struggles, and I hope you can work through it. And feel free to ask for help here, or PM me if you wish if you'd like some advice or just an ear to listen.

mark9950 · 07-31-2003, 02:36 PM

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I'd rather live a horrible, unfulfilled life than ever give up on God ( and i'm basically at this stage).

It looks like that God may not be working for him,Do not forget jesus said ask and you shall receive.

Polycrates · 07-31-2003, 08:23 PM

This was always one of the things that bugged me the most about Chick tracts, there was always some guy who listened to the fundy, took a whole lot of notice of what he was saying ('Jesus died for my sins, you say? Wow, he must have been a special guy...and I never knew") and generally seemed to agree, but decided to think it over before really making a commitment. But of course, he'd always die that night before he got the chance and get sent to hell, haw haw haw! I mean dammit God, if you want people to believe in you, can't you at least give them a chance to start barracking for your team?

Doctor X · 07-31-2003, 09:54 PM

Which mean you need to LOG-OFF NOW . . . get on your KNEES . . . and pray for FORGIVENESS!!!!! [!--Ed.]

Of course, make sure you get the correct god and denomination, else your fucked.

. . . in the biblical sense, of course. . .

. . . with lots of, like pokers and brimstone and stuff. . . .

--J. "The End is Nearish!!" D.

MortalWombat · 08-01-2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Bill Snedden
Of course, the "standard" response is that God knows whether or not you will ever accept him given 20 years or 200, so it doesn't matter.

So why not cut to the chase and just create souls instantly existing in heaven or hell? Or does he enjoy the drama of watching a play where he knows the ending?

07-31-2003, 07:30 AM	#25
Zucco Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Beautiful, crime-free Flower Mound, TX Posts: 156	Re: Re: Re: Copyright... Originally posted by Magus No, nobody says this world is fair. It isn't at all - you never know when your time is up. That is why God told us not to wait around, procrastinating to the make the choice. If you spend 20 years rejecting God, ignoring all the pushes to find Him ( and God does try to bring everyone too him - people just tend to ignore him and call things coincidence or all in your head), then it is your fault for waiting around. But that still doesn't explain why some people clearly do get more time to decide. In my original example, if the first man had died at 20 he would have gone to hell. Why did God give him 50 more years to ensure his salvation? It seems highly imperfect of a diety to arbitrarily discriminate like this when the stakes are eternal torment.

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07-31-2003, 08:11 AM	#26
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Magus: I'd rather live a horrible, unfulfilled life than ever give up on God ( and i'm basically at this stage). I'm curious, which stage? Living a horrible, unfulfilled life or giving up on God (I suspect the former, from the structure of the sentence)? In either case, it sounds like you may be going through some struggles, and I hope you can work through it. And feel free to ask for help here, or PM me if you wish if you'd like some advice or just an ear to listen.

07-31-2003, 08:23 PM	#28
Polycrates Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 329	This was always one of the things that bugged me the most about Chick tracts, there was always some guy who listened to the fundy, took a whole lot of notice of what he was saying ('Jesus died for my sins, you say? Wow, he must have been a special guy...and I never knew") and generally seemed to agree, but decided to think it over before really making a commitment. But of course, he'd always die that night before he got the chance and get sent to hell, haw haw haw! I mean dammit God, if you want people to believe in you, can't you at least give them a chance to start barracking for your team?

07-31-2003, 09:54 PM	#29
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Which mean you need to LOG-OFF NOW . . . get on your KNEES . . . and pray for FORGIVENESS!!!!! [!--Ed.] Of course, make sure you get the correct god and denomination, else your fucked. . . . in the biblical sense, of course. . . . . . with lots of, like pokers and brimstone and stuff. . . . --J. "The End is Nearish!!" D.

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