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GunnerJ · 06-08-2003, 11:45 AM

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No I don't reject all of science - but I take the Bible as fact, before human attempt at explaining the world around them, and then use science to understand God's creation better.

It is curious, then, that you called Tap-Dancing on not having "proof;" if you've already made up your mind, what good is "proof?"

Making up your mind before seeing the evidence is the definition of rejecting science.

And for the record, my trust is in reason, not in unsubstantiated myths.

scigirl · 06-08-2003, 01:08 PM

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Does Genesis correctly peg the creation of the universe?

The answer: Nope.

Scroll down to "Good models, bad models" and enjoy!

scigirl

Kosh · 06-08-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
No I don't reject all of science - but I take the Bible as fact, before human attempt at explaining the world around them, and then use science to understand God's creation better.

My trust is in God, yours is in humans.

You could have saved so much bandwidth by just typing "yes".

Magus55 · 06-08-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh
You could have saved so much bandwidth by just typing "yes".

And you could have saved so much bandwidth by not responding at all.

Magus55 · 06-08-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by GunnerJ
It is curious, then, that you called Tap-Dancing on not having "proof;" if you've already made up your mind, what good is "proof?"

Making up your mind before seeing the evidence is the definition of rejecting science.

And for the record, my trust is in reason, not in unsubstantiated myths.

I have proof - its just not good enough for you because it is evidence outside the bounds of science.

Magus55 · 06-08-2003, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by WinAce
Then you by definition have to reject science, as well as the most basic principles it's based on, like parsimony and falsifiability.

No, I don't reject science, I reject some human interpretation and explanation of certain aspects of science. No human knows what the Earth was like at its beginning, so why should i accept their attempt at explaining the origins of the earth, based on current observation, when they could be completely wrong? God was there at the beginning of the Earth - therefore, He knows the correct explanation, humans can only guess with absolutely no way whatsoever of proving those guesses.

Actually, your trust is in an ancient book of superstitious middle eastern fairy tales written by people who still believed the earth was flat. Ours is in the methodology that works for sending men to the moon, eradicating smallpox and building that computer you're typing on.

No, my trust is in a living God who provided us with a glimpse into how the spiritual world works, as well as the history of His plan for humanity. He gives us proof of His plan through Jesus Christ. You don't like that evidence, tough - thats not mine, nor God's problem - thats yours.

Kosh · 06-08-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And you could have saved so much bandwidth by not responding at all.

But we have to respond, you see.It's just like if I caught the town idiot trying to teach my 6 year old that 1+1=3. Such things REQUIRE action.

Such is our mission.

Magus55 · 06-08-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh
But we have to respond, you see.It's just like if I caught the town idiot trying to teach my 6 year old that 1+1=3. Such things REQUIRE action.

Such is our mission.

Except, math is within the natural world and can be falsified, God isn't and can't be - therefore your actions will always be futile since you will never disprove God, or get rid of religion.

RED DAVE · 06-08-2003, 09:51 PM

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Except, math is within the natural world and can be falsified, God isn't and can't be - therefore your actions will always be futile since you will never disprove God, or get rid of religion.

How do you prove God. I mean you, personally.

RED DAVE

Magus55 · 06-08-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
From Magus55:

How do you prove God. I mean you, personally.

RED DAVE

You can't prove God, because He exists outside the bounds of the natural world. However, i see plenty of evidence leading to God and the rest I take on faith.

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