Dark Jedi

That is the most spot-on summary of the Creationist argument ever.

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scombrid

Or Judges in Alabama.

Or schoolboard members in Kansas and Georgia.

Or the attorney general.

Infidelettante

HEEEY!!!...no, wait. You're right. Apologies from the 19th century.

JT

Fiach

The fact is that certain animals are found only in certain isolated location. For example, Kangaroos have never been found outside of Australia and New Guinea. Certain species of fresh water fish have been found nowhere outside of the Amazon Basin. Lemurs are only on the Island of Madascar in the last 20 million years. Emus, Koalas, Marsupial wolves, wombats, and marsupial lions are found only in Australia. Many other animals while on the Eurasian mainland are found only at great distances from Palestine, Mt. Ararat, and Mesopotamia. These include: polar bears, tapirs, aardvarks, Meercats, Irish Elk, Reindeer/Caribou, Moose, the Ice loving Macaques of Northern Japan. There are a few thousand other animals found far from Mesopotamia.

These represent animals never found in Mesopotamia/Ararat. How did Noah and his sons gather all of these animals from the far reaches of the left and right hemispheres and polar areas? How did they fit in the approximately 3.8 million species into the Ark if it was the wee little boat described in Genesis? How could they store enough food for the entire long journey aboard the tiny boat? When it landed on Mt. Ararat how did they return all of these animals back to their places of origin?

How did they transport some 3000 species of delicate fresh water tropical fish back to the Amazon Basin across thousands of miles of salt sea? How did they transport the Koalas, Wallabies, Kangaroos, Wombats, Marsupial wolves, Emus, and Marsupial lions back to the island continent of Australia? How did they get South American Tapirs back to South America along with Jaguars, sloths, prehensile tailed New World Monkeys, Armadillos, Alpacas, Llamas, as well as a million species of South American insects? (A fourth of all species live in the Amazon Basin.) How did they get the 9 types of Lemur back to Madagascar?

The amount of water needed to flood the Earths highest mountains would have to be enough to cover Mt. Everest at 29,000 plus feet or over 5 miles higher than present sea level. Can we even begin to imagine the immense quantity of water that would require? If Earth had been covered over 5 miles deep it would require 980 million cubic miles of water or 2.55 billion cubic kilometres of water. That water would have to be obtained and then carted away somehow. There are no empty spaces within the Earth for all of that water. The hot magma is only a few miles deep in places and about 8 Km in the ocean crust. There simply isn't enough room for so much water to be stored before the flood, and no place to put it afterwar.

So, you see, it is a scientific, or really a physical impossibility that Noah’s Legend could be true. The size of the boat is far too small for the number of animals and their food supply. The gathering of the animals from all over the world and delivering them back to their places of origin would have taken many years and hundreds of ocean going vessels to accomplish that task. The obtaining and disposing of many hundred thousand or millions of cubic miles of water is impossible without divine magic, which I don’t accept.

If you postulate miracle, i.e. magic, you must show me proof that magic exists. You must prove that magic ever occurred in any time or place. Other than magic, the Noah’s Fable was not physically possible.

Fiach

scombrid

Don't forget our own oft overlooked biogeographic marvel the Southern Appalachians with it's huge number of endemic salamanders, freshwater muscles, and darters.

keyser_soze

goddidit

Isn't that always the way?

Fiach

There is no way these creatures could have survived a world flood and then swim back across the Atlantic Ocean to find their way to Appalachian mountain tops and darters in the streams.

One rather dodgy argument I heard is that the 2.3 billion cubic km of water would have diluted the ocean's salinity drastically. I don't think so. But then if it did, and the ocean became fresh or weakly brackish, then all of the ocean going fish, corals, sponges, sea cucumbers, clams, oysters, bony ocean fish, sharks, rays, jelly fish, etc. would have died out.

Fiach

Arikay

How is it dodgy?

The flood water amounts to over three times the amount of ocean water. So it should dilute the oceans salinity at least by some.

Fiach

That is the bloody point.

Fiach

Arikay

Hehehehe.
IC

Sorry, im used to dealing with crazy arguments.