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Old 11-26-2002, 03:46 PM   #31
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The big W word for worship is the hallmark for what defines religion. Sure there many be athiest religions out there it is just that they worship something else, which could well be a cow or it could even be bananas; they worship something. But I do not think a religion can be a religion through just Athiesm alone. How can someone worship something that isn't there?
Well the 'theo' part is not there. So that makes Jains atheistic. But they worship their equivalent of prophets and regard themselves as a religion.

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why is hinduism or any other religion for that matter so stable?
It depends on how you define stable.
If you mean they are unchanging that is certainly not true. Many religions have now completely vanished. Look at the changes christianity itself had undergone from the first century. The Hinduism we see today is vastly different from the original. The Vedic people would not have known what to make of the religion of 4 B.C, and both would have been at sea today at differing customs. There is certainly continuity, but religions evolve in response to change. Even Gita is a late text, composed as a reaction to forces threatening orthodox society.

If you mean why religions go on existing that is because people need the emotional comfort they provide. An impersonal universe that does not care about you is a lonely place. Religions tell you it cares and that you will go on living forever, in one form or another.
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Old 12-02-2002, 04:24 PM   #32
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<strong>The only true religion we are told is universal and clear. Well, take a look at atheism through the centuries. In every country, in every age, the atheists without having contact with each other 'knew' certain truths:

1. There is no evidence of any god and so it probably does not exist.
2. The natural world is all there is.
3. There is no heaven and hell for the soul to go.
4.The Holy Books are written by humans.

(Sometimes even the method of criticizing is the same:
Vedas prophesy results which turn out to be false.
Vedas are contradictory.
If one portion of the scriptures is like the sayings of a madman, then the rest must be equally regarded. If the Vedas are holy you must accept it entire. One cannot pick and choose from the scriptures.
Various schools give various interpretations about Vedas. Since interpretations contradict each other, Vedas cannot be a valid source of knowledge.
Priests insist on the importance of Vedas and worship for their own gain. Priesthood is the livelihood of the feebleminded and the frauds.

Anyone notices any resemblance with something here?
And those guys argued this c 1000 B.C!)


Since all those arguments arose spontaneously in different cultures in different times then they must be true, for only the Truth can be so universal and so clear.

Therefore atheism is the only true religion!
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What constitutes a religion? Might belief system be a better term for what you are doing? I think a typical religion has a deity or faith object of some kind. What is the faith object of atheism?
Maybe its form is more like Pantheism or Humanism, but are they religions in the traditional sense of the word?

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Old 12-02-2002, 09:54 PM   #33
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Atheism is not a religion. As many others have already pointed out, atheism is quite simply a lack of belief in or acknowledgement of the existence of a supreme deity or "god".
The origins of the word "religion" are as follows:

RELY + LEGION - in other words, to be bound to an idea. The necessary element is attachment - usually to something which takes the form of a deity or prophet of some kind.
Atheism does not include this element; it is the absence of a particular belief, not an attachment to a belief or lack of belief. Therefore it is not a religion.
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