randman

Silent Dave, right now, I am involved in a thread concerning an area I am more concerned with, but will give this some more thought later.

Moreover, beginning Wed. I will be off the computer for a couple of weeks, except for here and there, but not from an office, or my home. So this may need to wait a couple of weeks.

I also hesitate, not dodging you, but it seems to me that there is a false condemnation of me and my line of reasoning, even in your statements and though many of you disagree, I did show these threads to others to see if they felt like I was being unreasonable, and they did not. This included those that disagree with me on evolution. My experience therefore suggests to me that there is something seriously wrong with the thinking represented here.

Take for instance one person's comments on how my arguments had not impressed anyone here. Maybe so, and maybe I don't expect a hard-core group to disavow evolution, but at the same time, I did expect them to see the basic honesty of my beleifs, and I really look at this the other way around. This is the chance for the evolutionist community to show someone like me, not a scientist, why I should support your research and such, and basically, I cannot imagine a worse reception unless you told me to ---off, oh, I forgot (not really), ya'll did do that.

My honest impression is that this is cultish, and very weird and dangerous, and I am more resolved than ever, than even if evolution is somehow true, that evolutionists themselves, as represented here, have become a sort of twisted religious group, and one that is dangerous.
I don't think it is science per se that is causing this, but a serious indoctrination into a religious mind-set, which ironically is what evolutionists accuse their critics of.

One must realize that I was not as concerned with disproving evolution as I am with making sure that intellectual pursuit is not arbitrarily stifled, and I think that is exactly what evolutionists are trying to do. It is one thing to disagree with someone's ideas or perception about the weight of a particular data. What evolutionists want to do is insist that anyone that disagrees with their analysis does so dishonestly, and that tells me more right there than any scientific piece of data ever could.

hezekiah jones

I think that's true. Strictly speaking, you haven't presented any arguments - only conclusions, supported by what often appear to be paranoiac ravings about propaganda and indoctrination.

I think it's fair to say that this "hard-core group" certainly would, were relevant evidence presented. Have you any? Your "beleifs" don't count as evidence. Surely you understand why.

Nobody has questioned the basic honesty of your beliefs. You're entitled to them, no matter how silly. We are questioning your unsupported assertions, most of which have been shown to be plain wrong, and the quality of the answersingenesis articles you apparently love so well.

I assume "support" means tax dollars. Why would you waste your time coming here to discuss that issue? Why don't you get in touch with Thomas E. Petri. He is the Congressman from Wisconsin's 6th District, and he sits on both the House Committee on Education and the Workforce and the Board of Directors of the Discovery Institute.

I'm sure he would appreciate your willingness to debunk the evolution conspiracy. Surely real political activism would give you a greater sense of civic involvement than simply denouncing the cult of atheism here.

<a href="http://www.house.gov/petri/" target="_blank">Here is his home page</a>.

He's a Republican, so he will be sympathetic to most of your other political views as well.

Cheap shot randman. No one told you to fuck off and you know it.

Even if evolution is somehow true, we are still a weird, twisted, dangerous religious cult? Of course you realize that your own statement here validates virtually everything your critics have suggested about your real motives.

Feel free to start a thread elsewhere explaining why and how "atheism" is a religion. It's a question I've asked many creationists, none of whom have been able to answer.

No kidding?

Yes, you keep saying that, without a single example or a shred of evidence. In fact your experience on this board, during which not once were your posts deleted or your threads "locked" (despite your insistence otherwise) contradicts your nonsensical prevaricating.

Are you intellectually honest enough to admit this?

Horseshit randman. It is you that has been shown to be dishonest, time after time after time. And, by your continual parroting of quotations that were out of context before you cut and pasted them from creationist websites, you have shown not only your dishonesty, but also laziness.

That's because it's abundantly clear you don't care about the scientific data; you only care about your ridiculous one man crusade against the evil cult of secularism. If you did care about the scientific data, you would investigate it at its sources, not in the garbled, deliberately misinterpreted junk served up by answersingenesis, which, as you will note, merely exists to raise money for Ken Ham's "ministry."

You might want to contemplate the fact that none of the websites the weird, twisted, dangerous atheist cult members have pointed you toward accepts paypal for the contents of their "shopping carts."

You're the one that's being duped, randman.

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pseudobug

rantman, after this latest post, I don't know howq you face yourself in the mirror each morning:

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That is not true. Evolutionists disagree with other all of the time. IT is your ilk that do so dishonestly--as you have been shown to be time after time on this and other boards.

rantman--this is a lie and you know it. Literally dozens of people here spent hours composing posts with illustrations, explanations and links to legitimate scientific sources. Much of it was stuff you had seen before you even knew about this place. Yet you still resort to your same old quote mining--with the same old examples---that had been directly demonstrated to you and others precisely why they were wrong months ago.

You claim you were treated unfairly--yet there are some here still willing to give you a chance.

You were treated harshly because of your blatant, willfull dishonesty. You care not one wit about the truth.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Morpho---there is no point to negotiating with rantman. He feigns these "higher moral principles" of not stifling intellectual pursuit--that's BS.

This person is a loon. I have argued with him for four months and he is not only a loon, but a dishonest loon.

Silent Dave, you are obviously free to pursue this "debate" with new ground rules--but it is pointless.

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