Nowhere357

Of course not. In the post you are responding to here, I said: "Truth is truth - I don't advocate pretending like someone makes sense, if they don't."

:boohoo:

No. It's illogical and fulfills no need, for me.

Actually, I've haven't accused anyone of making insults.

Would it be fair to say that you CHOSE to read an accusation in my post, when in fact there was none?.

Btw, I've never understand this use of the word "choose". It sounds alot like "if you don't believe in Jesus, then you CHOOSE to go to hell". I guess some people really do willfully misinterpret things, but I don't understand why or how.

That was not my decision; Facts are cool; And spurious bullshit would be fake bullshit, right? Making it actually not bullshit?

Hey, I said that first. Think of your own stupid things to say. I mean, besides saying that you are here to cut out fake bullshit.


Merriam/Webster
Main Entry: spu·ri·ous
Pronunciation: 'spyur-E-&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin spurius false, from Latin, of illegitimate birth, from spurius, noun, bastard
Date: 1598
1 : of illegitimate birth : BASTARD
2 : outwardly similar or corresponding to something without having its genuine qualities : FALSE
3 a : of falsified or erroneously attributed origin : FORGED b : of a deceitful nature or quality
- spu·ri·ous·ly adverb
- spu·ri·ous·ness noun

Nowhere357

Okay.

I am not. I think you just made this up. I've provided the dictionary definitions I'm using, I've tried to be consistent, and I certainly haven't used used the words as you claim.

Thanks for trying.

He holds an irrational belief, apparently. Your conclusion is a non-sequitor.

I disagree. Getting along with your neighbors is more rational than the alternative. Athough I do understand your point - if a belief itself makes no sense, the belief itself makes no sense. My position is that if holding the belief satisfies an emotional need, then it has just provided it's own justification. Rather like being in love, I suppose.

So it's possible that some people hold irrational or illogical beliefs, because they recieve some sort of fulfillment by doing so. This does not make the person an irrational person. It merely means the person holds an irrational belief. And in fact, due to the emotional fulfillment, there is now a REASON involved in holding the belief. The reason is valid - it really does satisfy a need.

And what do we call a conclusion, when there are valid reasons for it?

So it looks like there are two separate arguments that I'm making:

Holding an irrational belief does not make a person irrational, anymore than making a stupid decision means that a person is stupid;

And it is rational to fulfill emotional needs, or at least not irrational to do so. Our emotions provide their own justification - their own reasons.

Seems pretty solid to me.

I've said neither of those things. Athough "you are irrational" IS an insult.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

Perhaps you are right, by your definitions.

But a rational person has reason or understanding, by definition. It is not required to be perfectly 100% omni-rational, in order to be considered a rational person.

You are confusing "holds an irrational belief" with "is an irrational person".

I think no such thing, why are using this tactic?

BadBadBad

Hate to bring this up again, but RBAC, I think you've made some comments here about rationality that I'd like to talk to you more on. This quote is from:
What is the basis of Liberal Christianity?

Let me get this straight. Are you admitting you have no rational basis for choosing to believe your core christian beliefs? Things like the virgin birth, resurrection, Jesus son of God, God, all the miracles in the NT you believe on faith alone. You can't explain those beliefs rationally? So are you admitting that your core beliefs are irrational?

At the beginning of this thread, you claimed you are 90% rational and 10% irrational, but your core beliefs are irrational? Your core beliefs? No rationality there? Just faith? How does your rationality deal with the admitted irrationality of your core beliefs? Use your rational mind to think about that for a minute. If you're going to admit your core beliefs are irrational, how can you claim you are rational?

Rational BAC

Hey ------I got out of this particular thread a long time ago.

You don't like my numbers for rationality, then pick your own.

Personally, I like the 90%/10% division. But that is just me. For me, it just means that 90% of the time I can very rationally debate with atheists whatever they want to postulate. And have no problem giving in if I think they are right--------but still in no way compromise my essential Christainity.

But we are still talking relative #'s here. Pick your own if you like.

I'll probably agree with you.--------

-----unless of course you want to go back to what most of the discourse on this thread was-!00% irrational and 0% rational--

---that because I held to a few irrational beliefs=therefore I was an irrational person in all ways. You guys lost me a long time ago on that one. Not going to get back into it because either you all are thinking way too deeply for me or you all are full of horse puckies. Discuss that all you want to. I'll just set back and enjoy.

Nowhere357

I'm not sure what this means. People often call religion core, but it seems to me that day-to-day stuff is the real core. The sun will come up kind of stuff. For example, if we want to turn on a light, we flip a switch. It the light doesn't come on, we know the bulb is burned out or we have the wrong switch or the power is off.

Aren't these the real "core" beliefs which show us rationality?

AJ113

In the same post Brett said core christian beliefs. I think that we can assume he is referring to RBAC's religeous beliefs.

You may be right in your own definition of core beliefs, but it does not address the issue that Brett raised.

AJ113

[QUOTE]Originally posted by brettc Heh heh. This is the point that I tried to make throughout this thread. The thread came to an end because no agreement could be reached on the definition of an irrational person.

Nowhere357

Question: Are there any religious "core beliefs" which are not seen as irrational to skeptics?

AJ113

I can't answer for all skeptics but my own answer is yes.

Nowhere357

I was hoping you would share some possible non-irrational core religious beliefs. I would think the core beliefs would involve the supernatural.